(09-27-2021, 12:59 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I am quickly losing faith in this team. I never liked the Henderson selection and was very vocal about it. I was one of the many, many, many people on this board who were banging the table to draft Tristan Wirfs. It seemed like such an obvious choice at the time and Henderson seemed like just as much a reach as Chaisson was with our other pick in round one. We missed out though and I finally accepted it, knowing there was nothing I could do. I wanted Henderson to succeed and prove me wrong. Now, here we are with a terrible secondary and out of nowhere, we trade Henderson for a so-so TE and basically, the equivalent of a 4th round pick once the 3rd and 5th offset. Just another wasted first round selection by this team and yet another example of holding onto a guy (Caldwell) too long and letting him set this team back yet another year by his bad decisions. It's just so depressing.

Now, I have to ask, how long before we ditch K'Lavon Chaisson? He has been a disaster since coming here and only has one sack since turning pro. IMO, he and Henderson were such odd first round choices that I have to question whether Caldwell knew his days were numbered in Jacksonville and decided to tank that draft on purpose? His selections just seemed like such huge reaches.

Despite this, it still seems like we could have gotten a straight up 3rd round selection for Henderson, even if Dan Arnold were involved in the trade given Henderson's very limited time in the NFL, . He is young and still shows some potential. He certainly shows better ball skills than what I have seen from Tyson Campbell, although I will admit, that isn't setting the bar very high. I guess the confirmation that the Henderson pick was so bad, this early into his career, is a real letdown. Even though many of us believed it from the moment he was drafted, finally seeing him traded away for so little, finally made it hit home. We have wasted so much time and dug ourselves into such a deep hole over the decades that it almost seems hopeless. I'm still a HUGE Trevor Lawrence supporter and see tons of potential in him, but this team is so void of talent around him. It just seems like a never ending process of filling holes created by draft picks that never panned out.

First off, I too was against the CJ Henderson selection.  I too, wanted Wirfs, Jeudy, Ruggs, or anyone else that would have given us a better indicia whether Minshew was truly the answer at QB. If Minshew was not the answer as he ultimately proved hte presence of Wirfs or Jeudy or Ruggs or whomever would make things easier for the replacement.

But CJ Henderson has given the team some decent play at CB, even with his injuries, even with the off field speculation.  There is some reason to be disappointed with this trade.  Chaisson?  I HATED the pick when it was made, and there has been NOTHING Chaisson has done since his selection to make me change my mind.  I will be glad when he is gone.

Have I lost faith in this organization?

Yes.

It's one thing to miss on a lot of draft picks.  Lots of things can go into whether a draft pick succeed or fails.  It happens.

It's another thing to actually hit on players and time after time after time let them walk away or trade them away.  It makes it impossible to show sustained improvement  always keeps us drafting on a treadmill, and keeps us at the bottom of the standings.  It seems purposeful futility the way so many players are alienated from this organization.  All of the players who leave or get shipped out are painted by the local media and fan base as malcontents who are anathema to winning.  Yet player after player...from Allen Robinson to Jalen Ramsey...to Calais Campbell to Leonard Fournette to Yannick Ngakoue have all gone to winning teams.  The Bears, Rams, Ravens, Bucs have all been to the playoffs with players we've concluded are too selfish to win with.  Fournette managed to win a Super Bowl and has been a key contributor.  Ngakoue bounced around from Minnesota and Baltimore before winding up with the Raiders.  With him, the Raiders are currently 3-0.  Yes, we managed to sign Tevin Smith to a second contract, but we still don't know what made him step away from the team.  He had some off filed issues, but also expressed some dissatisfaction with the team. If the team knew there were off field issues that made him too destructive to keep, why not allocate his money to another deserving player?   Since we purged the roster of all these players, what have we accomplished?  Two losing seasons?  A 1-15 season and an 0-3 start to the next year?  Speculation we may break the Bucs' longstanding record of consecutive losses?  We managed to get two first round picks and a 4th for Ramsey, and turned them into Chaisson and a currently out for the season Travis Etienne, and traded up in the 4th round for Jordan Smith...a guy who hasn't sniffed the field.  What did we get for Ngakoue?  A 2 and a 5 from Minnesota.  We turned that 2nd round pick into Walker Little...a guy who hasn't been active three games into the season.

At what point do we start to actually accumulate good talent?

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