(10-12-2021, 07:12 PM)Jags Wrote:

(10-12-2021, 07:02 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: Do you really think anyone thinks that way? I mean, there's some nuance but gay people that I know generally understand biology. Gay couples with kids included.

I’ve known gay dudes with kids.  I’ve also wondered how messed up their ex wives were to not only turn their men gay but for both of the guys to have custody of their own kids.  And to answer your question, remember that dude girl guy that couldn’t produce milk from his MANmary  glands?

Edit:  when I question the gay dudes having custody, it’s not them I’m questioning.  They both were kind nice and likable people.  I mean that the state chose not to give the mom custody.

I'm not gay but from what I understand, no one "turns" a person gay. Think about it. Who turned you straight?

The gay people that I know who have kids either adopted, had a friend of the opposite sex "assist" or got IVF like my sis.

I don't know about the person you're referring to in terms of the milk production. Sounds like they may have been in a transition state and got impatient. Think about it, women by birth can't produce milk either unless their hormones are in sync to do so.

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(10-12-2021, 07:23 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(10-12-2021, 06:50 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: Sounds like you associate heterosexuality with "normal" because of the ability to reproduce naturally. What about my sister who is heterosexual but couldn't reproduce without IVF? Maybe she's not normal under that definition. I'd disagree though.

There's nothing wrong with teaching kids that gay couples are "ok". It might even help those kids avoid becoming homophobic later in life.

Well I do associate heterosexuality with "normal".  After all, in the scheme of things sex exists to reproduce.  The "pleasure" aspect of it is purely a human "taught" thing.  In the case of a couple that can't reproduce without IVF, that's a problem that science did right (in my opinion) so that couples can still have children.

Much of my opinion is formed by watching/raising animals my whole life, especially in my younger years as well as now in my "seasoned" years.  Humans are just another animal.  When a female animal "comes in season" the instinct of the male animal is to mate.  This is solely to reproduce and is dictated by nature.  That is the sole reason for intercourse.  Humans got pleasure from it and took it to another level.

I somewhat agree that teaching kids that "gay couples are ok", but at what age?  Grade school when they haven't even figured out their own bodies?  Middle/high school when hormones start raging?  When is it right to expose children to this stuff and what is the appropriate way?  Is changing an iconic comic book the way just to push a point or a narrative?

Again, I don't care if someone chooses to live a gay lifestyle.  If they and their partner are happy then I am happy for them.  I refuse to have the gay lifestyle pushed on children as "normal" because it's not.

We don't disagree on that many points but I will tell you "sex" does exist mainly for pleasure. Biology exists for reproduction. It's a fine point but the nuances are important.

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