(12-29-2021, 10:31 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Unchecked immigration was fine in America when we didn't have welfare. People risked everything to come here and had to fight to be accepted and become successful. It made America the great melting pot. It brought citizens willing to risk everything because they bet on themselves. I think the same is true with military or jail. People are forced to bet on themselves, but that doesn't work if there isn't a hardship associated with it. They don't actually overcome anything.

I agree with some of what you're saying, but we decided that unchecked immigration was bad about a decade before we ever set up any kind of poverty relief program at the federal level. So the true history is more complicated than the story you tell. 

Fortunately open borders and service as punishment are both in the dustbin of history.

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