(12-31-2021, 11:12 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:

(12-31-2021, 08:10 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: I don't fail to realize anything. Do you think spending your grandchildren's money on trying to be the world's police is a reasonable thing?

Yes, you fail to recognize the "world's police" is a simplistic argument. If the world were stable without geopolitical strife, it would be a valid argument. But it is not. It is a harsh and predatory place. 

Open sea lanes are critical for the support of free enterprise, and by extension democracy, around the world. At the end of WWII, the U.S. voluntarily shouldered the burden of maintaining open commerce and supporting democracy to benefit the world and prevent the same catastrophic war from which we had just emerged. It hasn't always been a pretty process, but the benefits worldwide far outweigh the negatives. 

Who is preventing Russia from invading Ukraine? Who stands as a bulwark between China and Taiwan? Who provided stability in Western Europe post WWII in order for it to rebuild and prosper? Who is ensures sea routes are open and free, for all countries, so that you may receive your Amazon orders in a timely manner? Who trains and allies their might with the militaries of Europe and Asia against aggressiveness from China and Russia? 

But an even more important question: Who pilloried Donald Trump when he pushed NATO countries, who are delinquent on their financial obligations in the tens of billions of dollars, to finally (here's that line so endearing to the left) pay their fair share? Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the American left condemned Donald Trump because he had the hutzpah to demand payment for services rendered to our NATO allies. 

Yes, we are the world's police because without us it would resemble a major American city with an idiot defund the police democrat mayor. The world needs us on that wall. They want us on that wall. It not only benefits them, but it also benefits us.

If my argument is simplistic then yours is ridiculously misguided. Free enterprise means shipping american manufacturing jobs to China.

Are you serious? Russia already invaded Ukraine.

Why does the United States have to pay to keep sea lanes open so that iPhones can be made in China instead of Nebraska? The Europeans are wealthy enough to take on a much larger share.

Why are you bringing up leftists anger at Donald Trump? To me you're looking a lot like the leftists, just with a different set of social issues and things you want to tax and spend on. I never came here to complain about Donald Trump calling out NATO. If course if he really wanted to make a difference he'd have shrank the military budget and started closing European bases.

As for what the world wants, I have no doubt most of it wants to keep loaning us money that your grand kids will have to pay off to let them take our jobs.

Wow!

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