(01-08-2022, 02:04 PM)Sneakers Wrote:

(01-08-2022, 12:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: You wanted Trump to win.  And Trump was saying well before anyone voted that the results would only be reliable if he won.  

Find one person, any person, who says that their bias was wanting Trump to lose, but there were shenanigans enough for Trump to win. I haven't heard a single soul saying that.  Have you? How can that be?

You're so obsessed by your hatred of Donald Trump that you're unable to see the overall picture.  Even indisputable evidence of tampering does NOT automatically equate to a "stolen election".

Did tampering occur?  I think the answer is a clear yes.
Was some tampering even possibly to the benefit of Trump?  Could be.
Was the overall tampering sufficient to change the outcome of the election?  I don't believe so.

Open and fair elections are a cornerstone to a democracy and vote tampering should be a huge concern to all.  Sadly, it is only of importance to those of us who place the process itself above our own candidate preferences.  Where do you stand?

I am concerned about vote tampering.  I actually agree with you that a small amount of vote tampering took place in 2020, like you I would say it's not nearly enough to change the outcome but I do care about punishing those who did it. We agree about this.

The problem is Trump, his insurrectionists, and a huge number of Republican voters still think the election was stolen.

My question, above, is trying to point out how ludicrous that is.  If there really was evidence of a stolen election, wouldn't there be at least one honest individual out there who could see the evidence and say, "I voted Biden but I see now that Trump won." Yet you have thousands of Republicans saying, "I voted Trump but the evidence says Biden won."

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