(02-21-2022, 06:54 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: (02-20-2022, 11:34 PM)Bullseye Wrote: Wait a minute.
The Mahomes led offense put up 31 points in their loss to New England in that first AFC Championship game, only to lose the game in overtime when the Patriots won the toss. The Chiefs never were able to get the ball. That was made possible when a Chiefs DE lined up offsides on a play that would have stopped the Patriots from tying the game in regulation. How does that equate to Mahomes not showing up?
They lost the Super Bowl to Tampa because both of his starting Ts were out with injury and the subs could not block the Tampa defense. How does THAT equate to Mahomes not showing up?!?
The hilarious thing is that to get to those four AFC Championship games and 2 Super Bowls, Mahomes had to beat Allen head to head twice.
The fact is, Mahomes has never been knocked from the playoffs before the AFC championship game. Allen can't say that. He's been to all of 1 AFC Championship game and lost that one. He's also been knocked out of the wild card round and the divisional round.
If you are going to use surrounding talent as a reason to bash Mahomes, how can you NOT use it to bash Allen? Buffalo has a more talented overall team than Cincinnati this year, yet Cincinnati got further than Buffalo. If Mahomes is to be penalized in your analysis for not fuly capitalizing on superior surrounding talent, how can you not hold Allen to the same standard?
With Buff. best defender out, I don't think they do have a better roster than Cincy. Oooooh, the ole the Chiefs were never able to get the ball quote, isn't that what happened to the Bills this year even after Allen took the lead with 13 sec and the defense couldn't stop Kelce and Hill? Lol
How could you NOT believe Buffalo had the better roster overall compared to Cincy?
Coming into the season, did you or anyone else pick Cincy to somehow finish ahead of Buffalo when Burrow was coming off a season ending knee injury and entering only his second year? Fif you manage to pick the Bengals to finish ahead of the Bills when the Bengals were coming off a 4-11 season and Buffalo was coming off a 13-3 season, only narrowly losing the AFC championship game the year before?
After this regular season played out, how could you not think Buffalo had the better team between them and Cincy? You just acknowledged Buffalo had the better defense between the two teams. In fact, Buffalo finished with the top scoring defense in the league. How could you not think Buffalo had the better team than Cincinnati when Bengals QBs had been sacked some 55 times in the regular season, as opposed to exactly half that total by Bills' QBs? How could you NOT think Buffalo had the better team when they were coached by Sean McDermott, who had taken Buffalo to the playoffs four out of the last 5 seasons while the Bengals were coached by Zac Taylor, who won all of 6 games his first two seasons in the league? Heck, according to you, Buffalo even has the better QB. How could you NOT think Buffalo was the better team than Cincy when they finished with a better record this year? So to sum, Buffalo was presumably better coached, better QBd (per you), had a better defense and a better O-Line. Combining the two, it would seem the only advantage the bengals might have enjoyed over the Bills were maybe at WR and RB. So with all of those innate advantages, the Allen still could not advance further than the Bengals?!? What does that suggest for your whole HOF surrounding talent for Mahomes argument?
As for citing the OT loss, I wasn't complaining about the fairness of the rule. I cited that only to show that the first loss in the AFC Championship you cited was not his fault.
What I believe you are trying to say with putting Allen atop the QB rankings is that he has the best physical tools of any QB. If that's the case, that is a more plausible argument overall. His combination of size, speed and arm strength is superior to that if every other QB. Two problems with that approach: 1. Physical tools are not the only measures of a QB; 2. It's largely difficult to quantify. Does Lamar Jackson's combination of arm strength, size and speed make him a better QB than Tom Brady? Why or why not?
Unless I have somehow grossly misinterpreted the meaning behind the various post season awards, the NFL typically doesn't hand out participation trophies. This isn't college football where there are a slew of meaningless bowl games with zero relevance to all but the participants. Somewhere along the line, actual results count. Somehow, results matter. At the end of the day, Allen hasn't produced any better results than say Ryan Tannehill. A head to head comparison shows that in almost every conceivable measure, Mahomes has produced better results than Allen. Despite having a team most felt was inferior to Buffalo's, despite playing in the league half as long or less than Allen, Burrow managed to reach a Super Bowl while Allen has not.
(02-21-2022, 05:13 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: Allen is much better than Burrow.
Based on what?
Please see my closing paragraphs in my latest response to flgators.
Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
