(02-21-2022, 12:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I think there are reasonable narratives out there allowing one to make a case for Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Rodgers, or of course Brady if we're still including the "retired."

To me - the main thing is that these guys are the "elite" tier of QBs.  With a good coach and a decent roster they'll all win a bunch of games. I wouldn't go so far as to call them "interchangeable" but it doesn't really matter to me how one ranks them. They are the top tier guys. All worthy of respect.

Murray is on the cusp of the tier but there are some question marks. He is also forced to be overly creative with throwing lanes at times due to size. That is a strike against him cementing himself in the elite tier IMO.

I've still yet to hear these reasonable narratives as to why Allen is better than Mahomes.

I've seen people assert that what happened 2-3 years ago should not matter in the discussion about their merits, which is an odd stance considering both are still very much in their primes, both came into the league a year apart and both played in a similar number of games.  But even going with that and just looking at this year's totals, the edge still goes to Mahomes.

The most recent season, 2021, Mahomes led his team to a 12-5 record.  He was 436-658 for 4839 yards, 37 TDs and 13 INTs. 

By contrast, Allen led his team to an 11-6 record.  He was 409-646 for 4407 yards, 36 TDs and 15 INTs.

While the numbers are very close, the edge still goes to Mahomes.  Mahomes threw more TDs fewer INTs, more yards, a better record, and when it mattered most, beat Allen head to head.

If you are going by just this year, Burrow is better than Allen.

Burrow, recovering from the ACL, QBed his team for 16 games, compiling a 10-6 record.  He went 366-520, 4611 yards 34 TDs and 14 INTs.  Throwing 126 fewer passes, he threw for more yards, a higher completion percentage, two fewer TDs and 1 fewer INTs.  He had a higher ypa by TWO YARDS and actually managed to take his inferior team to the Super Bowl.

So even using this standard of just the most recent year, there's still ample evidence that Allen is 3rd best behind Mahomes and Burrow.

If you include Justin Herbert in the mix, Allen arguably falls further down.

Herbert went 443-672 for 5014 yards, 38 TDs and 15 INTs.  He had a higher completion percentage than Allen, threw more TDs, more yards and the same # of INTs and a higher ypa than Allen despite throwing 26 more passes with an inferior team to Allen.  He doesn't have the playoffs yet, so obviously that works against him.  But being on a worse team, it's understandable.

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