(02-23-2022, 04:33 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(02-23-2022, 03:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: There are predispositions and then there are choices we make based on those predispositions.
Whether any of those choices are inherently bad or punishable is a separate question.
If and to what extent these choices should be encouraged or discouraged in youth is another separate question.
If so, how to encourage or discourage those choices, is a third separate question
Regardless of how we answer any of the above, they are choices.
And homosexuals will admit this, if they feel they are in a safe space.
The only reason they pushed the "born this way" idea for so long was because they were told it would help their legal arguments for gay marriage.

That is total bull [BLEEP], Mike, what in the hell are you talking about?  

Why would anyone choose to be gay?  And if it's a choice, when did you make the choice to be straight?  I certainly never made a choice to be straight, and I don't know anyone, gay or straight, who made a choice like that.  

And you're alleging there's some kind of grand conspiracy among gays to push the "born this way" idea in order to get gay marriage?  

You have lost your mind.

If people are born gay, then why hasn't millions of years of evolution and genetic selection rendered them extinct? Hell, not even a million, even 5 to 10K should have done the trick. Assuming that they are 'true' homosexuals, and haven't co-opted heterosexual behavior by continuing to have children with females, or via fertilization, they shouldn't even be on this earth anymore. And that's the rub; they are not true to what they think is their 'born' state of gayness. Choosing to practice heterosexual behavior must really create a lot of dissonance for them internally, since they are now forced to act both gay and straight. People without a sexual country. While I don't support, condone or celebrate homosexuality in any way, shape or fashion, I respect a person saying that they chose to be gay (and lives it as a gay person, without playing hetero half the time) 10,000 times more than someone who claims it by birth. At least they are owning it. Claiming it as a trait of birth almost sounds like an excuse.

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