(03-10-2022, 06:49 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(03-10-2022, 06:29 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I don't get what makes his take so ridiculous.

Let's review Jack's tenure here.

His rookie year, he played Sam because Telvin Smith had will and Poz was Mike.  Jack barely saw the field, and when he played he had minimal impact.

Then we tried him at Mike after Poz left, with the idea his speed and athleticism would be an asset inside.  The problem is he couldn't handle calling the defensive signals.

They finally moved him to will and he had his best season.

Then came the switch to  the 3-4, where UM ignored all of the previous year's progress, moved him inside and had him call the defensive signals again.  That lasted about 1/3 -3/4 of the season.  During that time, some of the same issues that were a problem when he was at Sam (not protected b the scheme) rose up and he had to take on bigger guards in the run game.

In a 3-4, the OLBs are typically taller, lengthier pass rusher types.  Some would even go as far as to call them hybrid DEs.  Jack doesn't fit that paradigm.

Jack is an athletic player to be sure. That negated play in the AFC Championship, his return against the Jets, and his INT against the Steelers in the playoffs exemplify his athleticism.  But I'm not sure it's a stretch to say he's not a good scheme fit in a 3-4 based upon his stay here and his physical attributes.

Sure, but a 5th round pick?  No way.   It's very doubtful we could replace him with a 5th round pick.  So I agree with the person who said, let's stop churning our roster as if we are 100% certain that trading him for a late round pick will result in an improvement.   He's a talented player and we need to stop losing talented players.  Surely the coaching staff can figure out how to use a talented player.

But whether

A.  We get enough in trade compensation for him and;
B.  Whether a 5th round pick could actually upgrade the team. either directly at his position or elsewhere

is a completely different issue as to whether he is a fit in a 3-4, which was the part I was addressing.

As for the issues you reference here

a.  I don't think we could expect to get much more than a 5th round pick for him if we traded him.  We spent a 3 and a 5 to get Mark Brunell, a then in his prime QB with little playing experience.  We traded Marcus Stroud, a three time Pro Bowler, for 3rd and 5th round picks.

Jack never made any Pro Bowls with us (or received any other post season accolades), and if he is best as an off ball 4-3 LB, that will suppress his trade value further since he'll be 27 when this season starts and he isn't on a rookie deal.

B.  The chances of a 5th round pick actually upgrading Jack directly or the team generally are pretty slim.  However, it's not as if it's unheard of for a 5th round pick to excel in the league.  Zack Thomas was a 5th round pick at MLB and made numerous Pro Bowls.

I think barring injury or a concerted effort by the new coaching staff to get rid of him, Jack stays here a couple of more years if he wants. getting better at LB is a mandate for a 3-4 team.

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(03-09-2022, 10:21 AM)Upper Wrote: I need to rethink on Dotson. I knew he was going to be small, but to be that small and also to bomb the agility and be just ok in the jumps is kinda worrisome. Even the good 40 time is kind of up in the air since everyone ran so fast because of the new Indy turf. If he's really more like a 4.5 flat guy instead of a 4.41 guy then he is just a bad physical package all around.

I honestly might rather have Pickens straight up now.

He ran a 4.43 in Indy.

https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/live...-colleges/

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