(03-23-2022, 12:57 AM)jj82284 Wrote: It is a shame that some people still fall for this pearl clutching, pee sitting down, "oh my gosh he said a bad word" crap. Granted, every coach that has to make the transition from College to pro has an adjustment period. The way that you interact with college kids and grown men with huge bank accounts are two different things. I get that. I'm not hear saying that Urban Meyer bridged that gap. What I am saying, is that the idea that we only had two wins last year was based on him saying someone's "transcripts weren't right" or that he said a guy "couldn't get a job outside of football" is a testament to how soft our society as a whole has become especially the men.
As for everyone jumping on the "Meyer's a dummy" train, you go bring me 3 national championships and holla @ me. You're talking about one of the greatest FOOTBALL COACHES of our lifetime. There are nearly 1600 players in the national football league, another 250 or so that are draft eligible each year not counting street free agents. Can you name them all? No. The difference is that if any one of you took home an NFL playbook and we gave you a month you wouldn't understand half of it, let alone be able to teach it.
This isn't me caping for Urban Meyer. This is me caping for sanity!
When you study Meyer, he notoriously took a year or two to establish his culture when he arrived in new environments. I remember the first year at Florida like a bad dream. Then he brought in the most successful recruiting class in the history of the school and was a laptop away from having one of the most iconic dynasties at the QB position in the history of the sport. Urbans biggest mistake was trusting trent Balkee and the rest of the brain trust and not dying on the hill with his hand pick coaches and staff. That would have eliminated the "sympathetic ear" dynamic that leads to descension, leaks, whining etc. Even with all that, does anyone really believe that Urban Meyer would have been fired if it wasn't for some thirst trap blonde grinding on him and a disgruntled kicker dropping an article in the athletic?
Urban Meyer's not perfect. He should have brought his own guys, but the idea that we should take the word of a group of players that averaged 2 wins over two seasons over a hall of fame Coach is asinine. I firmly believe that Urban meyer is being crucified because he refused to either pee sitting down, or put his FIST UP as is the new prerequisite for sports leadership in America. Just ask Jim Harbaugh.
Wise tactic to start your debate with your most convincing argument. Like Urbz' approach, this just pushes me to dismiss every word that followed this sentence because I already heard everything I needed to know.
With regard to the rest of the material, though - nobody has specifically said that two wins were due to his verbal coaching style. The two wins were because he thought he could get by using what worked in college (we'll get to that in a minute), and refused to put the effort into learning, developing, and adapting to a new environment. In the process of doing so, he alienated every person on his staff, every player on the roster (ok, maybe not Hyde), and evenutally, even the owner.
Meyer wasn't anything great as a coach. He was a great
recruiter. He could bring in the best player on promises and smooth talk, and then overwhelm opponents on roster strength alone. Meyer's first title was primarily a team that Ron Zook built; maybe we should give him a go at HC? Do you believe that Kirby Smart is some mastermind that will be the next great NFL coach? Of course not! Look at that roster, look at how many players are likely to get darfted and darfted early this year - same happened with Clemson, college is about out-recruiting your opponents. Scheme ain't gonna overcome talent and depth. Period. Past success at a different level is not going to predict any performance at this level.
Not sure what you're getting at with Harbaugh. And uh, Urbz did try to bring in his own guys, the guy he brought in resigned within a day because he is (allegedly) also a terrible human toward other humans. He tried to convince a guy 9 years removed from the game to come back, and to try changing positions at the same time! How'd that work out? He brought a guy to the team who refused to play when his number was called. Does that mean Hyde used to pee sitting down too, whatever that is supposed to mean?
(03-23-2022, 08:23 AM)jj82284 Wrote: (03-23-2022, 06:12 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: I don't know if Urban Meyer pees sitting down or not, but he was obviously completely unqualified to be an NFL head coach. And anyone who cannot see that is just blind.
Ironically, I'm about 60% in agreement with you. I would not have hired Urban Meyer as a head coach. My point is, my opposition to him being an NFL Head coach is based on the fact that His in game management was always suspect 2 Florida. I Can remember him burning through Times out like they were candy in an SEC championship game. I think that he is a good offensive mind, but his macro GAME THEORY was below average. He also had too great a propensity to go with empty formations on long down and distance without elite tackles. One Game in particular Tim Tebow had to ride in an ambulance because of that B.S. Those are legit criticisms. That's got nothing to do with this, "Oh he didn't want to braid my hair." Crap that these players are talking about.
Moreover, when you look at his history @ Florida he was criticized for his Machiavellian approach to being a players coach. Gang bangers, mass murderers, criminals etc. No worries, as long as you perform on the field. There are articles that he and his staff were almost afraid of Percy Harvin. What's the difference between those players and the kids he was dealing with last year? Those kids were winning! So that brings me back to the fact that when you're performing on the Field, Urban Meyer can be your best cheerleader, when you're not performing on the field I'm sure he was a nightmare to deal with. And I wouldn't respect any Coach who wasn't!
The one thing that gave me hope about Urban Meyer as a coach was the dimension of human confrontation. Throw out the score, down, distance, formations, tendencies etc. He had a Putinesque ability to prepare a group of 50 young men to be able to stand belly button to belly button against any opponent. You may win, you may lose, but Urban Meyer teams were never accused of being soft, quitting, or giving up. That's a wholly antithetical worldview to the culture that permeated the locker room for the last 4 years before the man returned. It takes Michael Irvin to tell the story of what it was like to transform the culture of the Dallas Cowboys when Jimmy Johnson Came to town.
...it's concerning that you wouldn't even consider his most recent coaching job in the decision to hire a coach.
