(04-15-2022, 06:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:

(04-15-2022, 04:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: It proves you haven't watched him play. 

These stills are literally 4 of the first seven catches from his every target cut-up in 2021. 80% of his catches show this type of clear separation.  

I'm not disputing facts. I'm telling you that you are very uninformed and incredibly assumptive when you post things like "this stat plus this stat tells me Jones can't get open."  He gets open A LOT. 


HERE ARE SOME MORE CHERRY-PICKED CATCHES
I can do this all day if you want - I'm only 2/3 through last year's targets with these screen caps - these are all complete and they all moved the chains - plenty more for me to "cherry-pick" or are you seeing a trend yet? 

I'm not gonna lie to you and tell you I watched a lot of Buffalo and Raiders' games where I focused in on Zay Jones. I didn't. I can say that I saw probably 4 Raiders games last season, because there are a limited number of west coast teams with 4:00 p.m. start times and the Raiders were on the CBS late game a lot in my area last year. In those games, Jones was a complete non-factor. If you're trying to convince me that he gets open a lot during his NFL career, you're basically saying his QB's (Allen and Carr) are responsible for his lack of production. I find that extremely hard to believe. Allen is an elite QB and Carr is one of the better QB's in the NFL.

The bolded is yet another example of you confusing correlation with causation. 

Can you seriously think of no other reasons under the sun that an "open"  receiver's stat line could be middling besides it being all on the QB? Really? 

I am not "basically saying Carr and Allen are responsible for his lack of production" as you suggest. 
 That is your poorly formed conclusion. 

Now, in 2021 - which is THE ONLY season I've used to support my refusal of your "doesn't get open" assertion - many of the incomplete pass attempts targeting Zay Jones were in fact due to Derek Carr's inaccuracy.

Since I'm pointing out the difference between causation and correlation here, I'll go on to explain that while some of them were flat out terrible passes, others were born from undue QB pressure, some of the routes continued too deep for Derek Carr to reach on while rolling away from pressure, and others were simply well-defended.

Yet another reason Jones didn't see a lot of statistical production last year is the number of targets he had in that scheme short of the sticks or even short of the line of scrimmage. He was good at getting positive yardage when called upon to be the check-down or screen target, but being the recipient of enough of these types of targets also diminishes your season stat-line. 
 
The point I've been laboriously making and will now let die a welcome death is that - if you watch the cut-up of his targets -  Jones is overwhelmingly open on the majority of them. Regardless of outcome. 

Feel free to ignore this basic fact if you so choose. I'll move on.

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