(04-17-2022, 01:37 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(04-16-2022, 08:52 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Ronster has a responsibility to be informed and civil. We can agree that he's not civil on many occasions, and he is uninformed from time to time. We can agree that we would like that to change.

However, even if we agree to this, I still have two problems with the Mikey's and Marty's of the world. Firstly, just because he is wrong from time to time, and frequently uncivil, that doesn't mean he is wrong all the time. Secondly, and the one that is more important to me, is you guys love to spend your time attacking the person who has become disillusioned by the system even while acknowledging the system is broken. This is like attacking the bully at school because he gets beat by his dad. Your energy needs to be redirected. For people that claim to be empathetic, you are awfully quick to attack those who make you uncomfortable.

If we could all get the right focus, namely holding our institutions accountable via calls for transparency, impartialness, and principled practices, and then holding their feet to the fire either via boycotts and voting, we can fix the Ronsters.

I mostly ignore Ronster. If I have attacked him, or you, or FSG, it was never about my own discomfort.
It was probably because, in my opinion, maintaining a minimum level of consensus and civility is critical to preserving both the Republican Party and the Republic in general.
You guys make certain lines of argument from time to time that are totally pointless and have no effect other than undermining what holds this whole 230 year old experiment together.
I am genuinely worried about the US becoming a non-representative or non-democratic republic in my lifetime. 
And you are genuinely worried about... something else.  Marxists taking over or something.  Marxists taking over would be bad, but losing the ability to nonviolently influence government would be worse.