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Draft Speculation (merged threads)

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(04-27-2022, 01:55 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(04-27-2022, 01:05 AM)Jag149 Wrote: Like they say there are multiple ways to skin a cat. Offensive defects I saw last year were TE, WR, RB and O-line. Also a disconnected coach over his head and a rookie QB thrown to the wolves. That is a lot of defects, but we did only score 14 ppg.  

TE is fixed for next year with Arnold and Engram. We can find another later in draft. 

WR also can be found later, The top heavy WR comment was just another smoke screen to make other people nervous. We will need to be drafting at least 1 or 2 for the next few years. I would do that later in the draft this year though as the ones from this FA class and already on the roster will benefit from this new coaching staff. Lets face it Treavor couldn't throw any timing passes except to Marvin because the other guys may not be where they were suppose to be. (depth angle etc) No matter how fast or skilled a WR is if there is no time the routes can't develop or we are restricted to short routes. 

RB can come later in the draft too. I can remember Denver having a run many years ago of 6th round picks just tearing up the league.

That leaves O-line. This is where we have different opinions of how we should go. I believe we can find what we need for a DE - LB etc later in the draft. I do not believe we can find the o-line personnel later. We draft one of those 2 and we will get a starter at guard this year and for many more years that can be groomed to kick outside in the future. It would also with what we already have on the roster give us the quality depth we need for the season. It also may make one of them disposable. The personnel we would get later in the draft would not be as flexible.

So really the only differences we have is the depth of o-linemen and DE's in this draft. I truly expect 8 to 12 o-linemen to go before we see pick #33. Ways to skin a cat ....Wink

No, by far our biggest difference is the notion that we could find a WR later in the draft. I believe there is a substantial dropoff in receivers after Williams, Olave, Garrett and London and a COLOSSAL drop-off after Dotson. Other than those 5, I wouldn't even bother drafting a WR until day 3 of the draft and we'd just be praying that we get lucky on finding a receiver that would produce. I've said this receiver class is EXTREMELY top heavy months. It's not a smokescreen by the team at all. That is one area where I totally agree with them 100%. Trevor couldn't throw any timing passes, because our receivers last year were so poor at running routes and getting any separation and when he did get the ball to them, they dropped it. Remember last season when they were so incompetent they were running into one another? That can't be blamed on coaching, that is just pure ineptitude. As far as pressure by opposing defenses, probably 65% of that came via Jawaan Taylor. Benching him and replacing him with Little combined with finding interior help in the middle rounds should help a lot. The key to real improvement is finding a WR who can consistently make crucial receptions whether it be via running away from defenders with sheer speed, creating separation by running excellent routes or consistently winning contested catches. It doesn't matter to me how it gets done, we just have to do it and those 5 WR's I mentioned are the only ones I see with those qualities who don't have major flaws. 

Our main difference by far, is the quality of WR's in this draft, but we also differ on ways to fix the O-Line. I see plenty of good interior o-linemen who should be available between the 3rd and 5th rounds. I also see a huge drop-off in the quality of edge rushers who fit our scheme in this draft after the 2nd round. To me, that sounds like we differ on almost everything.

I also think your assessment of the WR last year is incomplete. Yes, they were running into each other. Yes they had trouble getting separation. 

However, the videos of the guys running into each other or in the same space was like halfway into the season with practice squad and waiver guys who probably had few if any reps and basic understandings of the plays. 

Additionally, you are greatly underestimating the importance of coaching for last years offense. Yes, Bevell is a pro coach. However, he has a reputation of not using scheme to help get guys open, and not putting guys in position to get the ball where guys can do things. He has the same issues that McCarthy does. Also, given how poorly "he who should not be named" ran practices, he did not set up the young WRs like Shenault didn't get a full grasp of the offense and probably didn't implement methods to help guys learn the nuances and 2nd keys/reads on routes and plays. Also during the second losing streak, Trevor has to take some of the blame. There were some opportunities out there but he missed them.
 
As much as I would love the Jags to get a top WR, they may be a position where just probably cannot pull it off. None of them are really worth the No. 1 pick. Way too many teams are WR needy, and most of those teams are drafting between 13 and 26. Lots of evaluators have noted there isn't a lot of top level talent to push the elite WR's down, unless somehow there is an early QB run. Baalke doesn't really ever trade up. 

I think there is a possibility one of the decent upside 2nd tier WR falls into the late 2nd round/early 3rd, so there is always that possibility even if seems unlikely. The solace may be if they still have a bunch of those late round picks, and just take a glut of project/upside type guys and maybe a few will pan out. Any draft pick on day 3 is a numbers game anyways.
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Messages In This Thread
What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by I am Yoda - 04-25-2022, 07:04 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-26-2022, 02:20 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-26-2022, 11:23 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Upper - 04-26-2022, 10:46 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Ordar - 04-26-2022, 08:46 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-26-2022, 10:24 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-26-2022, 10:02 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-27-2022, 04:25 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Upper - 04-27-2022, 09:59 AM
Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by I am Yoda - 04-27-2022, 12:21 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Ordar - 04-27-2022, 02:49 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by NH3 - 04-27-2022, 04:11 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Mikey - 04-27-2022, 04:50 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Mikey - 04-28-2022, 10:15 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Mikey - 04-28-2022, 10:42 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Eric1 - 04-27-2022, 07:24 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Eric1 - 04-27-2022, 07:45 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Eric1 - 04-27-2022, 08:19 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Mikey - 04-28-2022, 10:20 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Upper - 04-27-2022, 08:34 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Upper - 04-27-2022, 08:36 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by JNev - 04-27-2022, 08:36 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Eric1 - 04-27-2022, 08:42 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Upper - 04-27-2022, 10:27 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Mikey - 04-28-2022, 10:33 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Eric1 - 04-27-2022, 11:44 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-28-2022, 12:39 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jags - 04-28-2022, 08:00 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-28-2022, 01:41 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by rfc17 - 04-28-2022, 08:40 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Upper - 04-28-2022, 09:18 AM
Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by I am Yoda - 04-28-2022, 10:03 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-28-2022, 11:27 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Mikey - 04-28-2022, 12:38 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-28-2022, 12:58 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Eric1 - 04-28-2022, 05:37 PM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Mikey - 04-29-2022, 08:58 AM
RE: Draft Speculation (merged threads) - by Jag88 - 04-28-2022, 05:44 PM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Ronster - 04-25-2022, 08:00 AM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Mikey - 04-25-2022, 09:32 AM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Jag88 - 04-25-2022, 11:32 AM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Newton - 04-25-2022, 11:50 AM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Sibelius - 04-25-2022, 01:17 PM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Bullseye - 04-25-2022, 10:44 PM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Bullseye - 04-26-2022, 07:31 AM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Bullseye - 04-26-2022, 11:08 AM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Jag149 - 04-26-2022, 10:25 PM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Dimson - 04-26-2022, 10:28 PM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Jag149 - 04-27-2022, 01:05 AM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by rpr52121 - 04-27-2022, 05:25 AM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Newton - 04-25-2022, 02:57 PM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Upper - 04-25-2022, 03:30 PM
RE: What WILL Jags do in the draft? - by Upper - 04-25-2022, 04:40 PM



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