(04-27-2022, 05:25 AM)rpr52121 Wrote:

(04-27-2022, 01:55 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: No, by far our biggest difference is the notion that we could find a WR later in the draft. I believe there is a substantial dropoff in receivers after Williams, Olave, Garrett and London and a COLOSSAL drop-off after Dotson. Other than those 5, I wouldn't even bother drafting a WR until day 3 of the draft and we'd just be praying that we get lucky on finding a receiver that would produce. I've said this receiver class is EXTREMELY top heavy months. It's not a smokescreen by the team at all. That is one area where I totally agree with them 100%. Trevor couldn't throw any timing passes, because our receivers last year were so poor at running routes and getting any separation and when he did get the ball to them, they dropped it. Remember last season when they were so incompetent they were running into one another? That can't be blamed on coaching, that is just pure ineptitude. As far as pressure by opposing defenses, probably 65% of that came via Jawaan Taylor. Benching him and replacing him with Little combined with finding interior help in the middle rounds should help a lot. The key to real improvement is finding a WR who can consistently make crucial receptions whether it be via running away from defenders with sheer speed, creating separation by running excellent routes or consistently winning contested catches. It doesn't matter to me how it gets done, we just have to do it and those 5 WR's I mentioned are the only ones I see with those qualities who don't have major flaws. 

Our main difference by far, is the quality of WR's in this draft, but we also differ on ways to fix the O-Line. I see plenty of good interior o-linemen who should be available between the 3rd and 5th rounds. I also see a huge drop-off in the quality of edge rushers who fit our scheme in this draft after the 2nd round. To me, that sounds like we differ on almost everything.

I also think your assessment of the WR last year is incomplete. Yes, they were running into each other. Yes they had trouble getting separation. 

However, the videos of the guys running into each other or in the same space was like halfway into the season with practice squad and waiver guys who probably had few if any reps and basic understandings of the plays. 

Additionally, you are greatly underestimating the importance of coaching for last years offense. Yes, Bevell is a pro coach. However, he has a reputation of not using scheme to help get guys open, and not putting guys in position to get the ball where guys can do things. He has the same issues that McCarthy does. Also, given how poorly "he who should not be named" ran practices, he did not set up the young WRs like Shenault didn't get a full grasp of the offense and probably didn't implement methods to help guys learn the nuances and 2nd keys/reads on routes and plays. Also during the second losing streak, Trevor has to take some of the blame. There were some opportunities out there but he missed them.
 
As much as I would love the Jags to get a top WR, they may be a position where just probably cannot pull it off. None of them are really worth the No. 1 pick. Way too many teams are WR needy, and most of those teams are drafting between 13 and 26. Lots of evaluators have noted there isn't a lot of top level talent to push the elite WR's down, unless somehow there is an early QB run. Baalke doesn't really ever trade up. 

I think there is a possibility one of the decent upside 2nd tier WR falls into the late 2nd round/early 3rd, so there is always that possibility even if seems unlikely. The solace may be if they still have a bunch of those late round picks, and just take a glut of project/upside type guys and maybe a few will pan out. Any draft pick on day 3 is a numbers game anyways.

The video of the guys running into one another was not practice squad players. It was Laviska Shenault and Laquan Treadwell. Both were starters during the season. 

You cannot blame everything on coaching. At some point you have to look at things objectively and say that the WR group was not what we thought it would be. As far as Lawrence taking some of the blame, of course he is responsible for some of the bad play. He was a rookie that was surrounded by no talent players. That was to be expected, but his under-performing had a lot to due with the lack of talent around him. Lawrence is not blameless at all, but it's not like he was getting any help. 

We have the #1 overall pick. How can we not pull it off? I disagree 1000% that none of these WR's are worth the #1 pick. Had he not gotten injured, Jameson Williams would probably be the top pick in the draft. He was simply unstoppable last season and many on this board had him pegged as our selection. He's long, fast, has good hands, a great motor, consistently gets separation and runs decent routes. Isn't that everything we'd want in a WR? Yes, he tore his ACL, but just 4 months into rehab, it is reported that he is sprinting and doing agility drills, which is nothing short of miraculous. He said he's well on pace to be ready for the start of the season, so what has to change? Why can't we select him #1? I've seen plenty of talent evaluators say had he not gotten injured, he would have been the best player in the draft. Nowadays, ACL tears are not that big of a deal. It's not like this team is gonna compete anytime soon, so why not invest in the future and take the big time receiver that we so desperately need to match with our franchise QB? 

Personally, I don't even see a 2nd tier to this WR class. I like Skyy Moore, but he is more of a slot guy and we just spent a ton of money for Kirk to fill that spot. Other than him I like, Metchie (who is another slot guy) and Bell who is more of a big possession receiver. I see no other receiver I would even gamble on before the final day of the draft. I think that is what the 2nd tier consists of and then the talent level takes a nose dive. Finding a day 3 WR who can contribute the way we need them to contribute is a long shot, so why not throw caution to the wind and select the guy many of us wanted all along (Jameson Williams) with the #1 pick? The more I think about it, the more I think this might be the way to go.

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(04-27-2022, 05:55 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: Whether this could actually be pulled off would depend of course on players falling to us.

#1 Jameson Williams
#33  Arnold Ebiketie
#65  Brian Asamoah
#70  Cole Strange
#106  Jelani Woods
#157  Zachary Thomas

I just don't see anyone in the building bold enough or who values premium WRs enough to pull it off.  When I made the earlier comment about Wigg's assertion that they are satisfied with their WR room for now, I didn't agree with their thinking.  But I think he accurately reflects their thinking.

While not perfect, I certainly wouldn't be mad at that kind of draft. In fact, it looks pretty good to me. Maybe I would swap out Asamoah for a bigger ILB, as I see Asamoah as more of a 4-3 WLB prospect, but I'd be very satisfied with that draft.

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(04-27-2022, 09:32 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/sethwalder/status/15...ELHTPDwpLQ

Hope you guys are ready for Walker at 1 and Walker at 33.

That makes me wanna puke.

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(04-27-2022, 09:59 AM)Upper Wrote:

(04-27-2022, 09:32 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/sethwalder/status/15...ELHTPDwpLQ

Hope you guys are ready for Walker at 1 and Walker at 33.

I don't think Quay is making it to 33.

God, I hope not.

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