(05-09-2022, 05:18 AM)EricC85 Wrote: Jj some issues reach beyond in political ideology. Yes there is rampant abuse of social welfare programs but that doesn't change the reality that without them many of these kids are going to suffer horribly.  If we are truly going to call ourselves pro life then let's do it. It's not about scoring a political win or strategically beating the democrats for me. It's strictly a question of what now, for my entire adult life the fight has been to end the genocide.

Not really.  Let's be honest, we don't REALLY mean that.  If we actually took that word to heart, you don't wait for a 6-3 majority to end GENOCIDE!  That's why we're loosing.  

While overturning Roe doesn't end abortions outright it brings into reality the opportunity for many states to end it. In those states which will have my full support we absolutely can not drop the ball and abandon these kids at birth or there mother's.

That's another example of Feels before reals.  Of all the bad arguments for raising the minimum wage, the best argument is based on the fact that in most cases it pays MORE to be on public assistance than it does to find an entry level job!  You don't just have cash payments, Snap, Refundable tax credits and the like.  You also have HUD, Medicaid, The affordable care act etc.  The idea that somehow in the current system we are starting with ZERO social safety net is just a talking point for the far Left.  NY and CA have the largest state sponsored Social Safety nets, has the demand for abortion gone up or down in those states?  I'll wait.    

Further more the argument that better access to birth control would mitigate the need for abortions from unwanted pregnancy is a solid argument. I can not come up with a reason that argument is wrong. My only goal is to end the genocide, my only goal is to protect the children, I don't care about anything else. If that means this is the only political victory we get so be it, end the genocide at all cost.

In the 19th century, there was no social safety net, a not insignificant portion of the country was just emerging from unimaginable, inhumane, forced bondage.  Almost all families were living at below subsistence levels compared to what we have today, and birth control had not yet been invented.  Moreover the Mortality rate for bearing a child was infinitely higher, there was nothing called an epidural so having a child meant bearing a kind of pain i can scarcely imagine.  Is the demand for abortion Higher or lower now?

Now, I am not advocating for the restriction of birth control.  Far from it.  I am simply pointing out that its introduction to the populace from invention to over 90% consumption has had the opposite affect than is what's currently advertised.  Why?  Because although it was advertised as a means of family planning for married couples, it was the first step in ushering in the sexual revolution as a precursor to modern hook up culture.  As such it fundamentally divorced the physical expression of love from both humanity (it's basic role in pro-creation) and critical thinking.  Why should a woman have to vet her partners?  Its all fun, no one's getting hurt what's the big deal.  Once you deny the humanity of both your partner and yourself, how hard is it then to abandon the humanity of a being you can't see?

Again, one of the challenges we face is our unwillingness to confront the true nature of those who oppose us.  Shonda Rhymes is one of the most influential figures in our modern culture.   Essentially she owns a day of the week in the hearts and minds of many Affluent Suburban women.  Two of her strongest female leads, Dr. Christina Yang and Ms. Olivia Pope were depicted killing their unborn child.  Both Characters were affluent, both Characters were impregnated by suitable partners, a doctor and a President Respectfully.  Yet both were depicted to peaceful joyous tones, killing their unborn children.  Why?  In the name of Equal Pay and rebelling against the Patriarchy.  

Post Great Society we have spent 22 trillion Plus on redistributive programs (that's just @ The federal level) we have given trillions to Charitable activities and the like, we have funded an educational establishment to the tune of trillions of dollars.  Yet we have still managed to kill over 65 million people in the legacy of planned parenthood (founded to simply expand the use of BC.)  This wasn't a case of women bloodying their hands on the church doorsteps while being spit on with their unborn children slinking away to PP with no recourse.  This happened in the Richest nation to ever exist that has spent trillions of dollars to assist the less fortunate.  This happened as the end game of a Demonic Marketing campaign to paint unborn children, the closest thing to innocence in a fallen world, as obstacles to the latest iteration of egalitarian utopia conjured up by the authoritarian far left.  They don't deny the humanity of Children because of their birth status.  That's just the fig leaf.  They deny their humanity because in a "socialized" world, the life of ANY individual is insignificant to the collective whole.

If you believe as I do that this was in fact a genocide against Human beings and not just clumps of cells then we are on the doorstep of surpassing the second world war, in all its theaters, as the single greatest mass casualty event in the history of all Mankind.    The left and those who advocated it will not take that lightly.  They will not allow that truth to define their legacy or much less consign them to the ash-heap of history.  There is a reason that the Author of the leaked draft opinion can't go out in public and that we are having to erect fences around the people's house!  This enemy can be defeated, but it will not be defeated with Apology, concession or prequalification.  It can only be defeated with the basic assertion that despite whatever collective goal or aim someone wishes to achieve the life of an individual human being are precious and inalienable.  Moreover, the only legitimate role of the state is as expression of the common need to protect those rights through force of law.  We as INDIVIDUALS have and always will help those in need, but we stop genocide because it's evil, not because some far leftist finally believes that they have sufficiently mitigated income inequality.

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