(05-09-2022, 01:05 PM)EricC85 Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 08:20 AM)jj82284 Wrote: In the 19th century, there was no social safety net, a not insignificant portion of the country was just emerging from unimaginable, inhumane, forced bondage.  Almost all families were living at below subsistence levels compared to what we have today, and birth control had not yet been invented.  Moreover the Mortality rate for bearing a child was infinitely higher, there was nothing called an epidural so having a child meant bearing a kind of pain i can scarcely imagine.  Is the demand for abortion Higher or lower now?

Now, I am not advocating for the restriction of birth control.  Far from it.  I am simply pointing out that its introduction to the populace from invention to over 90% consumption has had the opposite affect than is what's currently advertised.  Why?  Because although it was advertised as a means of family planning for married couples, it was the first step in ushering in the sexual revolution as a precursor to modern hook up culture.  As such it fundamentally divorced the physical expression of love from both humanity (it's basic role in pro-creation) and critical thinking.  Why should a woman have to vet her partners?  Its all fun, no one's getting hurt what's the big deal.  Once you deny the humanity of both your partner and yourself, how hard is it then to abandon the humanity of a being you can't see?

Again, one of the challenges we face is our unwillingness to confront the true nature of those who oppose us.  Shonda Rhymes is one of the most influential figures in our modern culture.   Essentially she owns a day of the week in the hearts and minds of many Affluent Suburban women.  Two of her strongest female leads, Dr. Christina Yang and Ms. Olivia Pope were depicted killing their unborn child.  Both Characters were affluent, both Characters were impregnated by suitable partners, a doctor and a President Respectfully.  Yet both were depicted to peaceful joyous tones, killing their unborn children.  Why?  In the name of Equal Pay and rebelling against the Patriarchy.  

Post Great Society we have spent 22 trillion Plus on redistributive programs (that's just @ The federal level) we have given trillions to Charitable activities and the like, we have funded an educational establishment to the tune of trillions of dollars.  Yet we have still managed to kill over 65 million people in the legacy of planned parenthood (founded to simply expand the use of BC.)  This wasn't a case of women bloodying their hands on the church doorsteps while being spit on with their unborn children slinking away to PP with no recourse.  This happened in the Richest nation to ever exist that has spent trillions of dollars to assist the less fortunate.  This happened as the end game of a Demonic Marketing campaign to paint unborn children, the closest thing to innocence in a fallen world, as obstacles to the latest iteration of egalitarian utopia conjured up by the authoritarian far left.  They don't deny the humanity of Children because of their birth status.  That's just the fig leaf.  They deny their humanity because in a "socialized" world, the life of ANY individual is insignificant to the collective whole.

If you believe as I do that this was in fact a genocide against Human beings and not just clumps of cells then we are on the doorstep of surpassing the second world war, in all its theaters, as the single greatest mass casualty event in the history of all Mankind.    The left and those who advocated it will not take that lightly.  They will not allow that truth to define their legacy or much less consign them to the ash-heap of history.  There is a reason that the Author of the leaked draft opinion can't go out in public and that we are having to erect fences around the people's house!  This enemy can be defeated, but it will not be defeated with Apology, concession or prequalification.  It can only be defeated with the basic assertion that despite whatever collective goal or aim someone wishes to achieve the life of an individual human being are precious and inalienable.  Moreover, the only legitimate role of the state is as expression of the common need to protect those rights through force of law.  We as INDIVIDUALS have and always will help those in need, but we stop genocide because it's evil, not because some far leftist finally believes that they have sufficiently mitigated income inequality.

I dont disagree with your arguments. I do think however that we live in a world with various definitions of morality and values. The reality is if we are justifiably going to say at this point you no longer have the option to terminate a pregnancy we have to acknowledge the reality that there will be a greater demand for assistance to low income mother's, sadly and specifically single mothers. I'm willing and ready to help them even if it means accepting some bigger social programs I'd normally oppose. It's not about negotiating it's more acknowledging many of these children that would have been previously aborted are going to be born into households that either won't or can't provide for them. 

My wife is a teacher at a small local church school. Of her 10 students in the 5th grade she has one student that has a two parent home. The other 9 have at least one parent either in jail, dead or not present in their lives. Without some of these social programs these kids don't eat, they don't have medical care, many of them we personally provide them lunch on a daily basis. When I got grocery shopping for my 4 kids we make sure to buy enough to pack lunch for a few of them my wife noticed never had a lunch. They attend this church school on a school choice voucher so it's not a rich group of kids at all. Maybe the solution isn't more social programs but I don't think we as a society can count on goodwill. One of the mom's had her car broken down in Daytona for over a week. My wife found out and I went down to Dayton last week on my day off from the shop to replace a bad coil for her. It was an easy job took me 30 mins to get her car running, she was broken down the parking lot of a mega church. I asked my wife why didn't someone at this mega million dollar church with 5 buildings not offer to help this lady? All she needed was a $100 part and some compassion from somebody? She didn't have the money to fix it but I have the skills and ability to fix it so I did. If we cant count on the churches to help someone broken down in there parking lot for over a week can we really say individuals will fill the gap? 

I just want this to be the pro life's chance to show it, we're not just telling you have the baby and good luck. I don't want to put nasty someone, I don't see the left as my enemy I see them as my opportunity to display my values my beliefs that's how you win hearts and minds. And ultimately that's what we need is change hearts and minds.