(05-09-2022, 08:21 PM)EricC85 Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 07:54 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: And that works about as well as restraining orders. People who are hellbent on avoiding their responsibilities to their child(ren) or beating on their baby mama/daddy are going to do so no matter what any law says.

Well we do a pretty good job as a society punishing father's that skip child support. However many of the fathers on child support are low wage workers so it's not really enough to make a difference. I know I have a few guys that I have to deduct child support and they're always the lowest wage workers in my shop. They usually have the least ambition to do more and generally stay in entry level roles way to long. 

That's not supposed to happen.  The driver of societal evolution is female reproductive selection.  Those kids weren't supposed to be fathers in the first place.  

Deadbeat dads are often deadbeat workers too, not always but more then not in my experience. 

In the black community 16% of unmarried men account for between 75 to 80% of children born.  

I think we can make these social in programs better, food stamps for example it should be ran more like the WIC program. Instead of an EBT with money loaded and they get to but whatever it should be specific nutritional stuff. If you want junk food work on making more so you can buy it. 

You were doing so well.  Social programs fail because they are "Social."  By that I mean that they have delocalized goals and objectives and they are administered by people fully insulated from economic factors or results.  It's the very social engineering of those who advocate for "Social Responsibility" that have intentionally destroyed the nuclear family and created the problem that we have.  

I'm not going to sign off on socialized medicine for everyone but I'm ok with it for minors. It's not the minors fault their parents are unable or unwilling to provide medical care. If we can send a trillion dollars to Ukraine we can make sure our kids have medical care. 

At current over 50% of every dollar spent on medical care in this country is spent through the state.  That includes virtual universal care for all children.  I have family members who qualify for free health and dental and the parents won't get off the phone long enough to fill out the forms.  I'm opposed to the slaughter of innocent children.  That doesn't mean that every child has to be raised with their biological parents.  

Make school choice nationwide give kids the chance to attend private and charter schools were already funding education let's make it competitive to get the best results for the kids. 

I still think that as a whole we Trad Con's havent fully come to grips with the reality of the educational system.  The national teachers unions are hellbent on indoctrinating children with post modern secular progressivism and care more about their agenda than actually teaching kids to read and write.  We spend more than most nations in the world and our high school graduates are reading @ a 7th Grade level, lower than that in the black communities.  Moreover, the system is designed as an engine of radical egalitarianism.  That's wholly antithetical to Hypergamous mate selection.  When young girls don't have mates that answer the hypergamous question then it's only natural that they then turn to another status hierarchy to find mates.  Unfortunately for us, that usually means young men who are by DEFINITION unstable because that triggers the female attraction to uncertainty.  And when young men aren't in the space of demonstrating Socioeconomic Status young women in turn are attracted to less mature displays of masculine aggression.  

We do the safety nets half-[BLEEP] that's what I'm realizing as I get older and move up the economic ladder. I'm doing well now that wasn't always the case, we struggled as a young family. I have seen and in lived the poverty we worked out of it, it can be done but not every kid has parents willing to it, that's where we have to fill the gap imo. Otherwise it becomes generational and that's a real problem.

Earlier you mentioned that you and your wife go above and beyond to take a personal stake in the life and well being of children less fortunate than you.  That's Nobel.  That's also the function of (insert appropriate non specific deistic traditional belief system).  Ultimately my point is that we need more people like you, not more bureaucrats.  When you went to change that womans coil pack even for the 20 minutes you might have interacted with her she got to see the impact of mature servant masculinity.  The kids you help get to see it too. That's missing in society and that doesn't come with a government check.  

As for values.  AS A HISTORICAL MATTER: In old Israel, they would leave a certain portion of the Crops in the field for the less fortunate.  They would allow the less fortunate to come into the field and pick up what was left to feed themselves and their families.  In the desert, the Mana that was dropped from (Message Board approved reference to deistic entity) was to be picked up by each person.  When the question was raised about putting young Widows on he role for public assistance Paul said no, and that says nothing of the concept of single motherhood today.  Why?  Because its one thing to help someone on a one to one basis.  It's another thing to institutionalize the idea that people can survive and have the life they want without a reciprocal contribution to society through personal production.  Moreover, the Traditional concept of charity is supposed to create restoration not dependence! 

As a community in our private charitable endeavors, of course, we should aim that all children are cared for.  But that has to come with the recognition that the ultimate way to make that happen is to build competent responsible parents with the skills and conscientiousness to care for their own children.  Those who are unwilling to fully engage with society and meet their personal responsibility aren't fit to be parents.  The answer is to allow the children better homes, not vacuum them from the womb.  As to the low status guys in your shop, aside from the last 60 years or so it would have been expected from the time they were 12 or so to be out in the world learning to earn money and being exposed to the rigors of advancing within the socioeconomic hierarchy.  It's only as the result of those benevolent social bureaucrats that wished to do him good that those opportunities are no longer practical leading to generations of young men with a failure to launch.  At current it's just accepted that you don't reach manhood until your what 35?  That's a long time to resist the strongest biological urge that we have.  

The left loves this!  It creates a demand for larger social programs, big government, birth control, termination of pregnancy, and most of all a general state of compliance.  Just look At current black America.  If we are serious about advancing Traditional values and arresting the challenges that face our ability to couple, form long lasting families and raise children then we are going to have to get serious about the factors and strategies that oppose us and develop our own vision of society that has the infrastructure to support our values.

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