(05-10-2022, 03:04 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote:

(05-10-2022, 03:02 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I disagree. That is why the war was fought. It fundamentally changed the way states and the federal government operate. These united states of America changed to The United States of America.

A war is not a determining factor of legality.

The war was fought because not one Southern state voted for that moron Lincoln - yet he was elected. It proved to the Southern states that what they thought, what they voted for didn't matter in this "union".

The South made it known that if Lincoln was elected every state would vote for secession immediately after. And they did. And won with a HUGE majority. They voted legally.

And remember, everyone, Lincoln ran a campaign based on appeasing the south - there were no calls for the emancipation proclamation until a year into the war, so don't start saying that he was a champion of the slaves or cared about slavery.. And Lincoln never freed the 50,000 federal slaves. He never cared about the black people, ever. He cared about preserving the union, which means the crops the South provided. He even said hey why don't we ship those slaves back to Africa?

Anywhere else in the world the North would have stomped the South within a year. - the North had ALL the production the South had literally nothing. Only because Southerners were better soldiers they dragged it out for 4 years.

Amazing.  Everything you just said is wrong.
The war was not necessarily fought over the right of white people in South Carolina to own black people in South Carolina.  The 1860 election was not about that.
The 1860 election was about if a white man who owned no slaves and moved from New York to Kansas to start a farm would have to economically compete with a white man who did own slaves moving from South Carolina to start a farm in that same town in Kansas, bringing his slaves with him.  Northern whites correctly perceived that anywhere slavery was permitted, it would locally dominate, even though areas that did not have slaves were overall more prosperous. Prior to 1850, it was understood that Black people became free if they were in the North, becoming competing wage laborers.  Even George Washington was not able to retrieve Oney Judge when she walked out of the executive residence in Philadelphia. But the Fugitive Slave Act, the Kansas and Nebraska Act, and the Dred Scott decision all combined to say that the was no place in any state where a free white wage earner would not have to compete with enslaved Black labor.  That's why the Republican party grew so fast in 10 years.  It was not intended to free any slave.  It was intended to contain all slavery to the South.

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