(05-21-2022, 07:11 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 06:39 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Then address that difference, stupid.

Puberty blockers are entirely speculative; there are plenty of studies that show potential harm. Two just came out recently. Also, there isn't even proof reassignment surgery helps. The suicide rate doesn't drop after surgery. Leftists say the stigmatization is the problem, but that's also speculative. Furthermore, many trans people end up transitioning back. Until then, we are glorifying bodily mutilation in the HOPE it might help some kids, when the reality is nothing shows that to be the case.

It is not unrealistic to expect that less than 1% of the population are going to have psychiatric problems that need to be addressed. The answer is CLEARLY not to indulge these disorders. You don't let pyromaniacs burn buildings, or cleptos steal, or agorophobes hide in their houses for the rest of their lives. You gently force them to confront the problem with experts who are medically equipped to deal with it. You don't alter their reality and force everyone else to participate. Trans is not drag. We, as a society, need to draw the line at bodily mutilation and collective compliance. This isn't even a complicated issue, and the proof I offer is FIVE YEARS AGO. The only thing that has changed is the narrative. You should be smart enough to see it. Not only is this not solving the problem, it's actually making it WORSE. Trans cases are skyrocketing, especially in young women.

So, you tell me. With that information, why WOULD the left be pushing this utter nonsense. Why would American medical institutions be pressured into accepting this. Why would businesses and people get blacklisted for not embracing trans issues?

I think this is another case of the Overton Window run amok. The progressive base is too stupid to see how they are being used, and Democrats can't control the fire they stoke. It doesn't matter in the end, because they can use this as a critical cause to help destabilize entrenched power and pass it on to themselves. This stuff is political first. You just don't see it.

Again, like a few other folks earlier in the thread, you're arguing against surgery and mutilation, which I am not arguing for.  
We agree that the government should not stop a consenting adults from modifying their bodies as they see fit.
We agree that the government should prevent kids from having these types of surgeries.
We only disagree regarding puberty blockers. Going on puberty blockers does not necessarily mean you transition.  It means you are making transitioning easier later, if that is still desired.
You are making a surprisingly big deal out of the one minor aspect of this issue we disagree about, considering how we agree about the other aspects.

And I still have no idea what you are getting at. "Destabilize entrenched power and pass it on to themselves." That's vague enough to be meaningless, like a horoscope. But even if I accept what you're saying on your terms, you and I are both smart enough, and have enough knowledge of history, to know that those who deliberately destabilize a society rarely win the revolution that they cause.  And guess what.  The left knows that too.  Which is how we can know they aren't doing what you say they're doing.

Yes, you are. Just not in children. Putting them on puberty blockers so they can make that choice when they're adults is reckless and unnecessary. The government doesn't need to outlaw transgender surgeries, but it definitely shouldn't be advocating it, nor making policies that do.

And of course, you have no idea what I'm getting at. That's a given. You're wrong about the historical utilization of these techniques, which is why you draw the wrong conclusion.

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