(05-31-2022, 10:08 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(05-31-2022, 09:15 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: This is the problem, Mikey. WE all don't believe that. You and others may believe in having some limited use of firearms, but the trends are pretty clear that the goal for the global elites is to remove firearms from the general populace.

So, you think private individuals should be able to purchase nuclear weapons?

You are so dense sometimes. I have already had this argument with FSG. In this thread. I have stated where I think the line should be drawn. Citizens should be armed with the same or equivalent of standard military issue. Heavier armament should be permitted. While I am ok with having the debate of where to draw the line, you again missed my core point, which was that there is a push to disarm citizens by the powers that be. That is their goal. Everything else is just getting us there.

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(05-31-2022, 11:59 PM)captivating Wrote:

(05-31-2022, 07:16 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Are you intentionally avoiding my question? I asked about mass murders in Europe to show that this type of tragedy doesn't go away just because you take away the guns. If you take Europe as a whole (which compares similarly to the US demographically), you see there are many different tragedies spread across their countries, and most of them are stabbings, vehicular slaughter, and, in rarer cases, bombs. I know you want to find a solution but taking away guns from the civilian population will result in more overall deaths. Just like taking policing out of the inner city did. Knee jerk reactions are not the way to manage a country. We keep putting Band-Aids on our problems.  

Those tragedies (bombings, vehicular slaughter, knife attacks) are terrorist attacks.  There have been 11 such attacks over the last decade.  I am not sure what parallel you are trying to draw between terrorism and mass shootings.

On a pound for pound basis, there have been twelve mass rampages in Europe in the last 10 years, with firearms used in ten of those.  In the US, there have been nine mass shooting just THIS YEAR.

The problem is staring you in the face, but you want to skirt around the issue.  You want to blame mental health as if it's only a problem in the US?  Mental health issues exist in Europe too.

I did this math in a thread on this forum about 4 or 5 years ago. At the time, the results were similar for the previous 10 years, with America slightly edging out Europe. I need to get into the details (which I don't feel like doing), but I imagine that the numbers haven't diverged dramatically once you start looking at the details. You find broken people everywhere.

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