(06-03-2022, 05:59 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(06-03-2022, 01:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Wut??

They began negotiations in the spring of 2019 and Ngakoue ended them in the late summer. 

You think they started out offering 19 mil per year???
This [BLEEP] went on for 4-5 months. 

C'mon man. Think. 

Ngakoue's SM accts all spring and summer made it crystal clear he was not only thinking bigger numbers but outright PISSED at their initial offers. 

We discussed this in threads here that summer. He was posting wacky tweets and IG stuff for months about all this stuff.

Oh I remember, the " low ball" offers were probably more than he has ever made.  Likely around 15 or 16 starting out if we ended up offering 19 mil with 50 mil guaranteed after the 1st 2 years.  Anything under 20 mil was considered low balling him lol.  If it was 50 after the 1st 2 then it was at least a 3 year deal.  Thats more years and more mil per than he has ever touched.  Not to mention the 40 mil he lost lol.  There is a reason he fired his agent right after.  He knew he was given horrible advise and way overvalued himself.

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(06-03-2022, 02:13 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: Uh, no, I'd rather the Jaguars picked a complete DE and paid them accordingly. Nothing you say changes the fact this team made the right choice to pass on Yann for his asking price, because no other team in the NFL values him as he values himself. 

And those stats are nice, I think you forget who was inside in 2017, Yann was not relied upon then whatsoever on run downs, thanks to guys like Calais. If Yann was the lynch-pin to that 2017 defense he'd be the one making 20 mil a year somewhere, he's not. You wish he was more than he is, but he's just a good rushing DE. You move TJ Watt to any defense and he will be a stud worth every penny of his contract, same with guys like Mack or JJ Watt in their primes.... Complete players, something Yann isn't. Yann has a place in the NFL, but it's not as a 20+ mil a year guy. He turned down 16.5 a year here, and he lost a lot of $ for it. Tough luck, seems he hasn't learned from his mistakes either going by his recent interviews.

He's not even making 15 a year and there is a reason he keeps getting traded.  He's a good pass rusher but you can't be a liability like he is.  He's great if you have a big lead and can just let him pin his ears back and rush the passer.  But if you are in a close game and have to respect the other teams run game he should be on the sidelines.  I think he had a reality check though.  He turned down 19 mil per year here and is making 13 mil per year now and it's 3 years later where players are getting paid more.  He made 12 mil the year with the Vikings, not to mention he played that last year here on his rookie deal which was worth less than 1 mil so he lost over 18 mil that year

To the bolded:

You seriously believe that Yannick Ngakoue went from being this team-first guy who his coaches and teammates raved about to a disgruntled holdout spewing venom on social media because the Jags brass offered him 15 or 16 mil per year?? 

LOL

No, dude. I'd wager it took much more (less technically) than that to make him do such a complete 180. 
They had to have legit offered him some peanuts deal with a 2 year team out clause. I'd love to know how those negotiations began. I bet they legit insulted him for him to react like that. We'll probably never know the details. 

He was a fool to not take their final offer (if that leaked figure is actually true/accurate), but he was also wise to get away from this franchise at that time also. It all went downhill FAST. 

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To the blue:

Yannick's deal with the colts is actually a rather lucrative one. 
He got 21 million guaranteed AT SIGNING.  26 million guaranteed total. It's a fully guaranteed contract. 
You're also ignoring the fact that they traded their former #34 overall pick to get him. 
It's not a blockbuster deal for a pass rusher, but for a guy with his skill set it's good money he can retire comfortably on. 

And yes, you can be a good pass rusher and still be suspect vs the run. 
DL players rotate more than any other position on the field and coordinators create packages for different pass rushers commonly.  The Jags did it very successfully with him and any other team could too if they've got complimentary players to rotate. This is also why he gets traded. Not every team can pull that off, but some are willing to try if they think their DL roster has the horses. 

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