(06-10-2022, 10:31 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:

(06-10-2022, 06:22 PM)Bullseye Wrote: What else is there to say about those statements that doesn't belabor the obvious?

Yes, Ngakpue has gone to a lot of teams in a short period of time.  Know who else has done that?  Brandin Cooks, 1 guy LOL who is also not a superstar but at least he is better at his position than Yawn who has been traded more than Ngakoue has. Cooks is not on his 5th team in four years but ok But as much as you want to make that a negative for Ngakoue (and by extension Brandin Cooks), the fact is, both players are better than anyone Jacksonville has at those positions LOL Allen is better overall and all of our DE/OLB are better vs the run than Yawn-to say nothing of the fact teams were still interested in acquiring both players.  Both players have been on teams far better than the Jaguars have been since they traded Ngakoue.  You keep harping on Ngakoue being traded several times, but it doesn't change anything For you maybe, The fact is NO ONE WANTS TOO KEEP THE GUY, NO ONE WANTS TO SIGN HIM LONG TERM, MUCH LESS FOR WHAT HE THINKS HE IS WORTH BECAUSE SIMPLY HE IS NOT WORTH THAT.  The Jaguars still haven't drafted or signed anyone that matches his production. For sacks only

As for Ramsey having a bad Super Bowl...I can agree with that I can agree with the idea that if Burrow had better protection on that final play, Ramsey likely would have been beaten for the winning TD in the Super Bowl.  But the key phrase is "in the Super Bowl."  Despite all of the vilification those on your side like to heap on Ramsey, the fact is almost every team in the league was interested almost every team? I don't remember that, have a link for that? I remember 4 maybe 5 teams in trading for him, and the team that wound up trading for him was the team that won the Super Bowl Hahahahaha yeah the team that only won it because they changed the QB for someone capable, and you say this like Ramsey is the only good player in that team LMAO .  They were in no way dissuaded from trading for him, nor were they in any way dissuaded from signing him to a long term contract Why you keep bringing this up? KHAN SAID HE WAS WILLING TO MAKE HIM THE HIGHEST PAID CB IN THE LEAGUE, WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT?.  After trading Ramsey and Ngakoue, the Jaguars were nowhere close to winning the Super Bowl HAHAHAHA and this is only due to the fact that we traded those 2? lolololololol.  In fact, the team was literally the furthest team away from winning the Super Bowl.  The last time the Jaguars were even close to the Super Bowl was in 2017, with a team featuring....wait for it....Jalen Ramsey and Yannick Ngakoue. Yeah because they were the stars of the team LOL Bouye was as good as Ramsey that year, we had Telvin, M. Jackson, Dareus, Poz and Calais was our best D-line player and it wasn't even close, but yeah it was only thanks to Ngkoue and Ramsey xD

I'm also not sure why you think their presence would have only made the difference in 1 game.  Out of what body cavity of yours did you pull that figure?!? Ok then show me proof we would have gone to the playoffs with those 2 on the team, I'll wait. I guess you also forgot BOTH guys were on the team on 2018 and what happened? LOL 5-11

What kills me is you take some sort of victory in not paying for players who have performed at a high level for this team, only to celebrate a record breaking class of free agent signings of players totaling over $170 million Celebrate? I said Baalke did good, that's about it, I don't remember celebrating much, you are welcome to prove me wrong though. Also none of the guys we signed were headaches like those 2 guys you love so much in guaranteed money to guys who were nowhere near as productive for their teams as Ramsey and Ngakoue were for ours.  We signed a #3 WR at best in Kirk, a #4 WR at best in Zay Jones, who failed miserably in Buffahole, a guy who was deemed a disappointment in NY for Evan Engram.  Scherff was a good signing.  Oluakun and FO were good signings.  Williams was a good signing.  But our cap, at face value, isn't as good as it might otherwise have been before all of the signings.  So you burned through all of the cap room you created by not signing Ngakoue and Ramsey for players not as good.  The team hasn't won any more games since trading them away Because those 2 are the only guys that left, and nothing else happened that could have made us a worse team right? my god .  We didn't even maximize the return from the trades, absolutely botching the 2020 draft.  What is there to show for letting them get away? Show me proof that we would be a much better team with much better talent and a record had we kept those guys

And once freaking again (starting to wonder if you have alzheimer or something) 

One idiot FAKED AN INJURY just to get his wish and HE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANNA STAY HERE
The other idiot thought he was the best pass rusher in the league (LOL) and thought he deserved and big fat contract when NO ONE BUT YOU AND HIM think he deserves that. He also was being a headcase and even insulted the owner. He also refused to negotiate and asked for a trade

AGAIN, THEY DIDN'T WANNA BE HERE ANYMORE!!! 

I wanted Ramsey to stay (WE ALL DID) before he started his crap, HE WASN'T GONNA SIGN A CONTRACT WITH US ANYMORE!!
Ngakoue you can sing all the praise you want but 3 facts 1.- NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE HIM A BIG FAT CONTRACT OR EVEN KEEP HIM FOR MORE THAN 1 YEAR. 2 HE IS GOD AWFUL VS THE RUN. 3 HE IS A GOOD PASS RUSHER, NOT GREAT, NOT ELITE WHICH IS WHY NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE HIM THE MONEY HE WANTS.

I am out. It's pathetic people still cry about this.

I didn't cite either Cooks or Ngakoue to say that either were superstars.  I cited them to show how completely silly it is to trash a player who has bounced around from team to team, when he's better than anyone you have at the relevant position.  But I suppose next you're going to tell me we've had more productive players than Brandin Cooks and Yannick Ngakoue over the past two years.  I mean I know you glom onto Josh Allen, though the numbers don't show the impact.

As far as the DE/OLBs being better against the run than Ngakoue, aside from that being false (Chaisson clearly is not better than Yan), the primary purpose of the edge rusher is to provide impact in the pas rush.  You sound like those guys who were propping up Reggie Williams because he was a good blocker.  Nevermind that he couldn't separate underneath or deep in a game to save his life.  What was important to them was that he could block-clearly a secondary function.  Anything to keep from admitting he was a bust.

Not once did I ever say either expressly or tacitly that Ramsey or Ngakjoue were the only good players on our team or, in Ramsey's case, the Rams.  To the contrary.  I have ALWAYS asserted the best franchises accumulate talent to find success.  There was a time where the Rams were among the worst run franchises in football.  Wanna know why?  They became a team that had constant acrimony with their star players (Dickerson, Kevin Greene, and Jerome Bettis-three future Hall of Fameers), and compounded that with piss poor drafting to try to replace those players (see aftermath of the Eric Dickerson trade, and the drafting of Lawrence Phillips to replace Jerome Bettis).  Does any of this sound familiar at all?  Any eerie parallels coming to mind?  No, I don't assert Ngakoue is a Hall of Famer, but he IS someone we should have retained, and he IS someone we have not adequately replaced some three years after the fact.

For sacks only?  See my response to flgatorsjags.

You wanted a link measuring teams' interest in trading for Ramsey?  https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news...u8nan4cgdb

As far as Khan saying after all the damage was done he wanted to re-sign Ramsey to a long term deal, apparently he did not adequately convey that desire to the front office (TC, Caldwell). After that Ramsey fiasco, Khan said he wanted to be updated on contract talks in the future. Funny how every other team who drafted in the top 5 of that year signed their players to contract extensions...most of whom were given extensions by 2019.

Jared Goff...https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/02/rams-jared-goff-extension-early-cost/

Carson Wentz...https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2835079-carson-wentz-eagles-agree-to-4-year-contract-extension-through-2024-season

Joey Bosa... https://theathletic.com/1959085/2020/07/...-deserved/

Ezekiel Elliott...https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2019/09/04/source-cowboys-rb-ezekiel-elliott-ends-holdout-agrees-to-6-year-90-million-contract-extension/

With the Elliott re-signing, there was the added element of acrimony due to a holdout, and Dallas still got the deal done.  Which is the ONLY team missing from that froup?  Hmmm....who could it be?

Bouye was NOT as good as Ramsey that year.  Ramsey made 1st team all pro.  Bouye did not.  Furthermore, Ramsey and Ngakoue made their impacts on the defense felt long before Campbell, Bouye, Dareus, and Church were ever signed by the team.  His rookie year, Ramsey had Prince Amukamara opposite him.  There were no Dareus, Church or Campbell on the rosters.  Yet Ngakoue led the team in sacks as a rookie, and the defense overall ranked in the top 5 after languishing near the bottom for years.

Once again, for the hard of reading, I am not saying the team would have gone to the playoffs had they kept those two players..  But nether were part of a 1 win team during their stays here, even when playing for who we thought would be the worst coach the Jaguars would ever have in Hus Bradley.  They had something to do with winning some games.  Ramsey had a pick six against Tennessee late in his rookie season that contributed to a blowout win.  Once again, for the literacy challenged, my point has always been to accumulate and retain as many talented players as possible.  We already had guys like Poz, Telvin Smith, Ramsey and Yan on the roster.  We added Campbell, Bouye, Church and Dareus to them.  Lo and behold, we had our one winning season since 2007.  When we lost those players, either through retirement (Poz), old age (Dareus, Jackson, Campbell, Church). or from front office ineptitude (Ngakoue, Ramsey), we've had the worst stretch of football in our team's history.  I did not forget either player was on the 2018 team that collapsed.  That collapse had nothing to do with either player.  The season was progressing well early (3-1 record in first 4 games)in until the injuries started hitting on the offensive line, starting with losing Cam Robinson to a torn ACL late against the Patriots.  With Ramsey and Ngakoue, the defense finished 4th in points and 5th in yards allowed.  On that same team, the offense was 31st in scoring and 27th in yards. It's all there to see. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/t...x/2018.htm  But go ahead and contiue to blame Ramsey and Ngakoue for not helping when the team's failings were clearly on the offensive side of the ball.  Since then, Ramsey was eventually dealt as was Ngakoue, Campbell, and Bouye.  Telvin Smith had his meldown (speaking of someone who couldn't stop the run..and you had the gall to add him to the analysis?!?)  The defense hasn't been close to top 5 since.  Apparently you didn't remember any of this.  I will refrain from using my internet medical degree to diagnose you with Alzheimer's.  But appareently I DID forget I was dealing with someone fact averse.

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