(07-10-2022, 07:43 PM)surfon Wrote: The warranty on my battery is 8 yrs 100k miles with no less than 20 percent degraded in that warranty period or it is replaced free of charge.  As it stands now mine is a 2017 with almost no battery loss granted i only have little over 39k miles on it with the pandemic and working at home.

Its getting replaced under the recall soon with new 8 yr 10ok warranty.  I kind of hit the lotto with that recall.

They are not throwaway cars.  I guess i dont driva a ton but hardly ever had a car i kept with over 100k miles.

I do agree widespread adoption is still prly 7 to 10 yrs down the road.

Sidenote, Eric are you saying you dont have electricity at your home?

I have yet to use a public charger with mine yet.  Charge at home.

If you've never kept a car over 100k then we are just looking at it from two different worlds. I've never gotten rid of a car with less then 330k. My truck now has 279k my wife's truck 158k and my new commuter car I bought to fight high gas prices (99 Camry from an older customer that can't drive anymore) has 79k by far the lowest mileage car ive ever owned. 

My last truck ran until 360k my last Camry ran to 340k my wife's Highlander only made it to 229k but the road flooded and it was totaled. 

We have electricity at home but it's a co-op running a little pool pump for the above ground pool I put in 3 years ago my electric bill jumped $100 a month I cringe to think what a car charger would cost me. 

My feed mill to purchase my chicken feed for example is a 150 mile round trip, the trip back I'm hauling 1000lbs of feed I promise there is no electric charging station between bostwick and lake Butler so I literally would have no way to get the feed to my homestead with an electric truck. 

But yes they are built to be replace in 5-10 years thats a throw away car. You won't see anything but after 2018 on the road in 10 years. My 1999 Camry will still be running when the electronics on the 2018 EV fail and the manufacture discontinues the product. I see it all the time. 

I don't mean it to insult or deter anyone from owning an EV. Local or suburban living it makes total sense especially with gas now stuck over $4 a gallon. But for us rural folk it's just not plausible and I don't see that changing anytime soon. 

Which might be by design the powers that be might not want folk like myself living far outside the cities and suburbs. Perhaps that's the purpose of a lot of this, who knows.

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(07-10-2022, 09:01 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-10-2022, 01:52 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: Aren't some companies trying to design them to replace battery for a reduced price, and then recycle the battery materials?

Replacing a battery is pretty easy.  The battery pack in an EV is actually a couple hundred smaller battery cells and the cells are often compatible from one manufacturer to another.
Recycling is only a problem because it's not profitable at this time.  It's still cheaper to mine new lithium than it is to recycle old lithium.  This isn't a big deal though.
Landfill waste is by far the least of our environmental problems, and lithium batteries aren't much of a risk in terms of toxicity.

Come on Mike we're not talking about your typical car battery. The EV battery isn't a labor problem it's a cost and program problem. No they are not interchangeable from manufacture I promise a volt battery is not going to work in a lighting. The chargers are not even interchangable you have to get adaptors. Have you ever seen a lithium mine it literally destroys the ground around it permanently. All batteries lithium, acidic and flooded cells are extremely toxic and require very specific disposals per epa. It's why you have a core charge on your regular car battery.

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