(07-27-2022, 11:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(07-27-2022, 11:33 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not sure why you only quoted part of my post but this is what I meant. 
Dante Fowler was the kind of guy to break through late and technically "get pressure" on the QB, but by the time he made it back there the ball was coming out and he had very little effect on the play. Where as on the other hand a good pass rusher getting a hurry who broke through the line explosively and rushed the qb to make a poor decision because of how quickly he got there. 

Both plays would count as a QB pressure statistically, but were completely different outcomes.

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I quoted only the part that was relevant.

Fowler is irrelevant to the discussion IMO  - as are the two types of pressure you are describing

Of course some pressures affect a QB differently than others, but as I clearly laid out for you, the incompletion percentage increase that occurs to most QBs as a result of pressure is undeniable and it will undoubtedly affect the score and outcome of many games wherein non-elite QBs are consistently pressured. 

This is true regardless of some pressures being more effective than others.

So you're under the assumption that a guy busting through the line immediately as the play begins causing the qb to panic and make a mistake is the same thing as a guy who got blocked for 2-3 seconds, qb holds the ball a little too long guy gets free and then the pass gets completed but still counts as a pressure because the guy was free right b4 the throw is the same thing?
Seems the fowler comparison was extremely important since you clearly have no clue what i'm talking about based on your response.

Cause it's not, and you're wrong.

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(07-27-2022, 04:02 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: "Pressure" is about the most subjective stat in football behind only "Tackles."

I rarely agree with you, but this is basically what I was trying to explain above. 

If rusher A gets unblocked and runs through a gap immediately and the qb throws the ball away.. that counts as a qb pressure.
if rusher B gets blocked, but then gets around his guy and the qb held the ball long enough and then he throws a completion with said rusher getting close it also counts as a pressure.


But even tho NYCJAGS seems to think it's the same difference, it's really not.

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