(08-06-2022, 07:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(08-06-2022, 05:45 PM)Bullseye Wrote: 2.  But what is that based upon?  In SF, he managed to draft a bunch of stud defensive players, including Aldon Smith, Eric Reid, Deforest bucknet, Arik Armstead.  Why does he have your faith when it comes to drafting receivers?

3.  Though pre draft, I wanted the team to take a WR, given how the draft played out, I'm glad, for instance, they took Devin Lloyd.  That said, until he manages to draft a stud WR, I will remain skeptical regarding his eye for talent at the position.

Lololol.  Bullseye, you are one of the best writers on the board and could probably write amazing books.  But, sometimes you just try way too hard and it just doesn't add up.  

2.  Just based on what he has done In these last couple of drafts.  Of course we have to see how it plays out but some people just get better at their jobs with experience.  I don't think Baalke is the same GM as he was when he was with SF.  He's faced alot of criticism and I don't think he is [BLEEP].  I'm sure he has looked back in his past and re evaluated his previous mistakes.  We shall see how it plays out.  

3.  I wanted of like a WR as well until I seen how the board fell.  I'd take Lloyd in that trade over any WR at 33.

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(08-06-2022, 06:21 PM)Bullseye Wrote: I think a fair sample size for Baalke was his entire SF career as GM (2011-2015) and his two years as Jaguars' GM.  That's seven drafts total.  Given how easy it supposedly is to find WRs in the draft, for him to not have ANY competent WRs drafted furing that stint is telling, irrespective of how many first round picks he spent at the position.

As for Caldwell, I don't assert he had a great record as a GM generally, or a great record in drafting WRs specifically.  But it's beyond dispute he was better at drafting at the position than any other GM we've ever had.

TC's forays into drafting at the position were disasters.

In 1996, he spent a lot of late round draft picks at the position, with almost nothing to show for them.  His biggest hit was Reggie Barlow, who had one Pro bowl season as a punt returner.  1996 was a great WR draft, that featured, among others, WR Marvin Harrison and Terrell Owens.

In 1998, he used a late pick on Alvis Whitted, who had arguably the biggest and worst drop of a pass in team history in the second half of the AFC Championship game in 1999.  For his entire Jaguars career, he had a grand total of 17 catches.  Keep in mind, his initial plan was to trade up in that draft for Curtis Enis, and that was with Randy Moss on the board.  

In 2000 he drafted R Jay Soward in the first round, and came back with WR Emmanuel Smith in the 4th.  Do we really need to re hash that?

In 2001m he used a 7th round pick in Richmond Flowers, and in 2002 he spent a late pick on Kendall Newsome.

Out of all of those year, the only remotely productive drafted WR was Reggie Barlow, and that was as a punt returner.

He was followed by Shack Harris.

Harris wasted draft picks on Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Ernest Wilford, Chad Owens, Mike Sims Walker and John Broussard.  Wilford was probably the best out of that group, and he ran at best a 4.7 40.  He never made any Pro Bowls, though he did have one noteworthy game.

Gene Smith?  We've long established he never drafted any Pro bowl players and he was clearly the worst GM in team history.  His last year, he drafted Justin Blackmon, who very clearly had the talent to be a star, but had unmitigated substance dependence problems.  He easily ranks as one of the biggest draft disappointments in team history.  There was also a mid round gamble on Jarret Dillard out of Rice who never amounted to anything for us. 

In two seasons, Baalke has yet to draft a WR for the Jaguars.

Observing that Caldwell was the best at drafting WRs in this group is not the same as saying Caldwell was a good GM.  But "in the land of the blind...the one eyed man is king..."  WHen it comes to drafting acquiring productive rookie WRs, Caldwell's draft picks of Robinson, Lee, Westbrook, Hurns and Chark are by far superior to any other WRs drafted by any other GMs in team history.

Caldwell is the best of a bad group when it came to identifying/drafting WR talent in the draft.  Again, that doesn't emphasize how good he was, but how bad the organization's GMs as a whole have been when it comes to drafting WRs.

You say this yet you don't think we can do better than Caldwell lol.  I don't care if we win zero games this year and Baalke gets fired, the odds to me is that we can find a better GM than Dave Caldwell.  All you have to do is look around the league.  If you put the top WRs names in a bowl and it's our pick and draw a name you have a better chance to hit.  Odds alone!

No.

Earlier in this thread I said we SHOULD be able to do better in terms of drafting WRs.

But this franchise has repeatedly proven incapable of drafting stud WRs no matter how you slice it.  Two (2) drafted Pro Bowlers at the position in 28 years (excluding the one year of Reggie Barlow)?!?  Seriously?!?

Do I assert Caldwell was the best Jaguars' GM overall?

No.  I'd argue that distinction goes to Shack or TC.

But looking at the records in terms of drafting WRs, Caldwell is the best of the five GMs we've had thus far.

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