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Lucky2Last · 09-03-2022, 03:38 PM

(09-03-2022, 02:08 PM)jj82284 Wrote:
(09-01-2022, 02:49 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: The founders of BLM are queer women. Suprise suprise.

That was quick! Good point!

(09-01-2022, 04:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: That's funny. I just had this same discussion with my wife about a week ago. She said I was being a misogynist and left to go to work. When she got back, I had pulled up party affiliations by gender, voting activity by gender, and issue voting by gender. She apologized for getting overly emotional about it and agreed with me (which is why I have the best wife). Obviously, women aren't a monolith, despite what the feminist movement tries to project, but they are disproportionately hurting the country in certain areas just as men have hurt it in others. It's categorically unfair to put the blame solely on women, though. I think it needs to be stated emphatically that this isn't exclusive to women, nor is it useful to say that their concerns are not valid.

I think women tend to be motivated by their need for security and nurture, and men are motivated by sex and power. Both are important in healthy societies. It's not a coincidence that most democratic policies offer the promise of security in the form of government intervention and nurture in the form of collective outcomes, even if those promises are unrealistic, while simultaneously offering sex to men through the promise of sexual liberation, which coincidentally, has created the opposite effect. On the other hand, I think conservative policies offer security in the form of order, which creates strong family units and nurture, and men sex and power with their status in the family. Men have abandoned that status, and I think it's created an opportunity for government to fill that role.

Men didn't abandon that role. We pay women to kick them out of that role.

As for sexusl liberation, women have killed what, 65 million people as a function of severing sex from responsibility. Men mat be more motivated by sex, but the idea that women aren't or don't pursue that interest is old order thinking.

I disagree. Men were firmly entrenched as the patriarchy of the family, and, admittedly, were too heavy handed. They were sent off to war, which allowed women to enter the workforce at a clip they had never experienced. They enjoyed being able to provide for their family without necessarily having to do the extremely dangerous jobs that were previously held exclusively by men (war/hard labor). Due to industrialization, businesses realized that they could double their workforce since women were just as effective as men in many roles. However, when the men returned to their old roles, so did the women, for the most part. It wasn't until the free love movement in the 60's that we saw families start to disintegrate. That generation of men, imo, opted to leave their families in the 70's and 80's at a clip we hadn't seen before. I believe this was initiated by men, and I believe the labor available to women precipitated it.

Imo, this falls on the men. I think we were too greedy. I mean, it's easy to say this in hindsight.

As to the hyper-sexualization of women, I just don't believe that is a movement led by women. I think it's sort of become a caricature of itself, but it's not rooted in natural biology. It's more a movement rooted in social standing. Men started that movement on the left, not women. It is for men's benefit, not for the women. Abortion absolves men of their responsibility, and, truly, the main attraction for women (at least originally), was driven by security, not sexualism.