(09-03-2022, 03:38 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(09-03-2022, 02:08 PM)jj82284 Wrote: That was quick!  Good point!

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Men didn't abandon that role.  We pay women to kick them out of that role.  

As for sexusl liberation, women have killed what, 65 million people as a function of severing sex from responsibility.  Men mat be more motivated by sex, but the idea that women aren't or don't pursue that interest is old order thinking.

I disagree. Men were firmly entrenched as the patriarchy of the family, and, admittedly, were too heavy handed. They were sent off to war, which allowed women to enter the workforce at a clip they had never experienced. They enjoyed being able to provide for their family without necessarily having to do the extremely dangerous jobs that were previously held exclusively by men (war/hard labor). Due to industrialization, businesses realized that they could double their workforce since women were just as effective as men in many roles. However, when the men returned to their old roles, so did the women, for the most part. It wasn't until the free love movement in the 60's that we saw families start to disintegrate. That generation of men, imo, opted to leave their families in the 70's and 80's at a clip we hadn't seen before. I believe this was initiated by men, and I believe the labor available to women precipitated it. 

Imo, this falls on the men. I think we were too greedy. I mean, it's easy to say this in hindsight. 

As to the hyper-sexualization of women, I just don't believe that is a movement led by women. I think it's sort of become a caricature of itself, but it's not rooted in natural biology. It's more a movement rooted in social standing. Men started that movement on the left, not women. It is for men's benefit, not for the women. Abortion absolves men of their responsibility, and, truly, the main attraction for women (at least originally), was driven by security, not sexualism.

Prior to the great depression, women were more frequently employed outside the home, than during. The depression is where you see it become normal for male employees to insist that their employer should not hire women because men provide and women nurture.  Before the scarcity of the great depression people were more likely to mind their own business about who provided for what family.

And businesses don't go and double their workforces just because they can.  They employ the people they need to meet the demand they forecast, no more and no less.  Yes, the captains of industry did try to continue to normalize employing women in factories after WWII was over.  This was mostly because women's wages were lower, though.  The idea that a person could sue in court for wage discrimination on the basis of gender wouldn't become law until 1964.

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