(10-10-2022, 12:41 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(10-10-2022, 12:31 PM)Hurricane Wrote: This right here is huge to me. I don't know what Trevors mind is like, but you've got a dude that was drafted 1st, being talked about as one of the best prospects ever and hes not looked the best as of yet. Blame Urban, blame age, blame whatever. He mentally went from the very top to near the very bottom with people questioning him right and left. Add in a super bad game against the Eagles that is tough not to put the blame on him and Pederson for the L, then you go against a winless team and get beat at home? The kid isn't ready to lead this team to wins yet, but he does have the tools to be a very good qb, even right now. Feel like Pederson would be doing Lawrence and himself alot of good by shifting his gameplan towards the run and slowly implement Trevor instead of trying to make him the focal point when he isn't ready.



Also, I voted no because I haven't seen enough change in Lawrence from last year to this year yet to think he has what it takes to be a top 10 qb. Right now I feel like his ceiling is more of a top 15 qb in the league from years to come. That's not knocking him in anyway, he didn't choose to be the #1 pick and go through the Urban crap.

I agree with the statement above in bold. As of today Lawrence is 11th in total pass attempts. He's 22nd in completion percentage. With two great games on film and two terrible games on film this should be an opportunity for Pederson to reconfigure his approach. 

Lawrence clearly has a hard time with the deep ball, he's being underutilized in the ground game, as I feel like he should be keeping the ball more and using his legs more. 

It's adapt or die time here in Jacksonville. 2 - 3 is rough. 2 - 4 is rougher on paper. Need to call a gameplan this week that builds Lawrence's confidence back up, puts him in less hero ball situations and allows him to move around more outside of the pocket and use his legs.

While I've been espousing more run game for weeks at this point, and I still want tot see it, I also want to see them taking shots downfield with Trevor. 
Yes he's struggling with it right now, but I don't think it's a major issue he can't be coached through and improve. We've seen him make very accurate deep passes. He is capable. 

Bottom line, yes they can mitigate some of his mistakes, but I'd also like to see him get the experience of running a real pro offense that isn't inordinately watered down. 
Even if he struggles at times, there is no better experience for him now than putting it on tape against real opponents and learning from it. 

Hopefully Doug finds some happy middle ground with all of this.

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(10-10-2022, 12:47 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:

(10-10-2022, 12:10 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying he didn't get the right coaching and development to learn NFL tendencies and defenses and has developed bad habits and thought processes that need to get corrected. Accuracy issues are what they are, due to footwork and whatnot, which YES is coachable.

The VAST majority of his issues are coachable.

Then by that definition, Tebow should have been able to be coached up to be an acceptable NFL QB in terms of accuracy.  My point is that some things aren't necessarily coachable, they are inherent traits that you are given at birth.  It's fair to wonder if Lawrence has those traits.

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(10-10-2022, 12:05 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: Meyer treated TLaw like his diamond in the rough.. He didn't need any preseason reps. He didn't need practice games. He was ready from day one..

TLaw's games proved that. The run got totally abandoned and I'm surprised Trevor didn't need Tommy John after all the pass attempts. Urbs was coaching college football at the pro level, and it showed.

Agree that Meyer didn't prepare him adequately.  What I wonder is if Lawrence has the intangibles, many of which are given at birth, to be what he's expected to be.

RE: the red sentence

In terms of throwing mechanics and "arm talent"  - you are comparing apples and hot water heaters

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