(10-29-2022, 01:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(10-29-2022, 01:34 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Here's my stance on it. Stats don't lie. He's not showing up enough on the stat sheet. What else does this team have to lose? It's had how many winning seasons with Josh Allen on it? Zero. 

Now, how many truly, big, memorable games can you recall that Josh Allen has had in his 47 career appearances? I can only think of one. That was the Buffalo game last year. What can you find outside of that? Not a whole lot. Not unless you go all the way back to his rookie season where he was able to string together four or five weeks of showing up consistently.

When it was his time to step up? Take charge? He folded. Not sure who his replacement will be. Question is, why would it matter after this team has compiled a 2 - 5 record with the defense collapsing in three of those losses late in the 4th quarter with HIM on the field? Maybe, again, we need to shift our focus. Defense had PLENTY of attention this off season. Let's go get this offense up and running. Let's go make this offense more dynamic. Let's be that offense that Doug Pederson is trying to establish with Trevor Lawrence. 

If we're going to see 40 pass attempts per game? You need the weapons on offense to make that work. Then, you don't need a Josh Allen on your roster tying up 15% of your cap space when you can take that same 15% and get you better quality players across the board. Sorry, not sorry. Sorry your homerism is clouding your vision. Sorry your homerism has given you PTSD and wanting to desperately hold onto mediocre top ten selections. This team shouldn't have to overpay for him. 

This team has found better players at his position outside of round one by the way historically or through free agency. You should know this being an OG fan. Brackens, Ngakoue, Smeenge, Campbell, McCray, Mincey, Smoot, etc. All of those guys were found outside of RD1 and all of those guys were better or just a step above or a hair below him statistically. 

Stop putting mediocre players on a pedestal. Everybody likes to throw that "BecauseJaguars" slogan out there. Some of you fans on here belong in that category as well with the blind, over saturated homerism with mediocre players.

Stats absolutely lie. 
Often. They rarely give you the full picture of a player's performance IMO and can be easily used to deceive. 

In Josh's case, the pressure numbers are too inconsistent for my taste. Up and down like a rollercoaster, with the low points lasting too long. I see your points/perspective. All valid. 

I just value the production we do get from Allen more highly than you do.

Facts, you can't just look at a stat sheet.  They lie all the time.  If it was just about stats there wouldn't be any point of a combine.  Guys like Timmy Chang, Kellen Moore etc. would of went first overall.  If it was just about a sack number Robert Quinn would of got a lot more than a 4th, he had 18.5 sacks last year, everyone would want Yan but he gets passed around more than anyone. Allen at times when he he isn't getting a sack he makes great plays in the run game, pressures the QB etc.  Allen has had a number of really good games this year. That last couple games he hasn't looked great but nobody on our team has.

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If we had a guy like Chris Jones, Cox, Quinnen Williams etc. Our edge guys would have double the sacks imo.

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