(10-29-2022, 02:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(10-29-2022, 01:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Stats absolutely lie. 
Often. They rarely give you the full picture of a player's performance IMO and can be easily used to deceive. 

In Josh's case, the pressure numbers are too inconsistent for my taste. Up and down like a rollercoaster, with the low points lasting too long. I see your points/perspective. All valid. 

I just value the production we do get from Allen more highly than you do.

Facts, you can't just look at a stat sheet.  They lie all the time.  If it was just about stats there wouldn't be any point of a combine.  Guys like Timmy Chang, Kellen Moore etc. would of went first overall.  If it was just about a sack number Robert Quinn would of got a lot more than a 4th, he had 18.5 sacks last year, everyone would want Yan but he gets passed around more than anyone. Allen at times when he he isn't getting a sack he makes great plays in the run game, pressures the QB etc.  Allen has had a number of really good games this year. That last couple games he hasn't looked great but nobody on our team has.

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If we had a guy like Chris Jones, Cox, Quinnen Williams etc.  Our edge guys would have double the sacks imo.

(10-29-2022, 02:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: PFF grades.  Yawn vs Allen

Allen has 3 sacks, Yawn has 6

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/yannick-ngakoue/10703

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/josh-allen/50235

If it was just about a sack number there grades would be reversed.  Allen is a much better player than Yawn and it isnt even close.

(10-29-2022, 02:22 PM)WYjagsfan Wrote:

(10-29-2022, 02:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: PFF grades.  Yawn vs Allen

Allen has 3 sacks, Yawn has 6

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/yannick-ngakoue/10703

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/josh-allen/50235

If it was just about a sack number there grades would be reversed.  Allen is a much better player than Yawn and it isnt even close.

I agree Allen is clearly a better player than Yawn. The question is is/can he be elite or is he just very good. We'll have to pay elite money to keep him longterm.

(10-29-2022, 02:30 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(10-29-2022, 01:34 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Here's my stance on it. Stats don't lie.

In baseball, maybe.  Not in football though.  I see people here routinely jump to conclusions from stat sheets and box scores and it's clear they've either forgotten the game they just watched, never watched it or don't know what they're looking at.

All of you. Give me one memorable game out of his 47 career appearances outside of the Buffalo game of last year. That's all I want. Has to jump out like a sore thumb. You can't do it.

Also, if stats lie all the time or don't truly matter? Explain to me why the top paid pass rushers in this league have the highest amounts of sacks on their stat sheet. Not "potential" sacks or "almost there" or "could have been" sacks.

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