(11-08-2022, 08:49 PM)EricC85 Wrote: I don't care if trump is divisive. I dislike trump because he is a big government big brother morally bankrupt democrat dressed up like a pig with lipstick playing republican.

Trump believes government is the solution to EVERYTHING, pandemic let's use federal power to shut down businesses distribute welfare checks and socialize medical treatment with 100% tax funded payments to uncheck pharmaceutical companies.

Military let's unilaterally use executive power under the unconstitutional ndaa and patriot act to strike abroad and bypass congressional requirements to enact war.

Spending let's rack up the largest deficient spending budget for infrastructure and other pork projects (yea that was before COVID)

Immigration let's spend BILLIONS on a wall instead of addressing the root cause of illegal immigration, because it's good theater.

Trump spent more time tearing down conservatives in the primary and then running a shock jock twitter then accomplishing anything while president.

Under trump the conservative party sold out to big brother big spending abandoned the morale high ground. Now we have a sold out socialist party and an opposition party the Clintons would of killed for in the 90s. Trump is a 90s democrat with an R in front of his name. No republican should ever be allowed to talk about family values and morale high ground after backing grab them by the [BLEEP] trump. As a father I detest everything about Donald Trump. I'm more angry with my party for following him down this road.

If you're looking for a morally upstanding dude who isn't going to make deals behind closed doors that benefit himself and those who got him there and maybe the party as an afterthought I think you will be disappointed. Every one of these people have sold their soul on some level to get where they are. 

The conservative party had to fight against the dems and Clinton winning in 2016 and Trump is how they decided to do it. I mean, I guess the RNC could have cheated to get a different candidate through but then they're no better than the democrats. 

You seem to have a "rose colored glasses" idea of how the political system works, or should work. It's broken and has been for a long time. It's taken me awhile to accept this but it is reality. I won't budge on my morals and values but it's becoming increasingly difficult to vote based solely on those morals and values because the choice of people we are voting for are not necessarily in line with traditional conservative ideas.

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