(11-14-2022, 03:46 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote:

(11-14-2022, 10:58 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: This team is in no position to take advantage of downfield speed until they can protect the QB unfortunately. 
Zay (and others)  run wide open frequently downfield every week pointlessly while Trevor evades pressure and can't deliver it to them on time.

You latch onto one stat, ignoring all others or any context, and try to build an entire narrative off it. It’s pretty funny to watch, actually.

Which starting QB is the best in the league because he’s got the longest pressure time at 2.6 seconds?  Yeah, that’s right.  Justin Fields.

Which starting QB has exactly the same pressure time as TL so has exactly the performance.  Oh, that’s right. Joe Burrow.

Burrow’s stats are actually quite interesting and a lesson in context.  JB and TL each average 2.3 seconds from snap to throw or pressure.  JB has been sacked 30 times, TL 17.  JB has been knocked down 30 times, TL 22.  So he’s really under the pump, eh?

And now the interesting thing happens.  JB has been hurried just 11 times while TL has been 23 times. Wait, you mean JB is staying in the pocket and taking hits in order to orchestrate the play while TL flees rather than stand fast?  No, colour me surprised!  I must be seeing things wrong, surely JB is facing far more difficult rushes.  Nope.  JB has been blitzed 57 times and TL 81.  It almost like the opposition knows they can flush out the rabbit with just a little pressure.

But JB doesn’t have time to throw deep,either, right?  Just like you claim with TL?  Yet again, another attempted narrative busted.

Completions. 10+.   20+.   30+.  40+.   50+

JB.                96.      29.     12.     8.       4
TL.                97.      24.      6.      2.       0

But, but, but surely JB is throwing the ball even more than TL.  And again, wrong. JB has 333 attempts, TL has 348.

And yes, the QB ratings reflect the performance disparity.  So I call your attempt to deflect all of TL’s shortcomings onto the line busted.  The determinative factor in QB performance is not the number of seconds before he’s pressured.  It’s his actual performance.  TL is on a Terry Bridgewater career path.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

Not sure what nonsense you're blathering about here. 

I haven't latched on to one stat. I've cited no less than four that support something that is glaringly obvious by simply watching the C, LG and LT throughout a game or two.  (oddly - the RG and RT decided to join the suckfest yesterday) 

Pocket time, pressure rate, OL pass pro win rate, etc don't exist in a bubble. There are many factors affecting them. Less so for the latter of the three, but I digress. 

In the Jaguars case, however, all you have to do is watch the all 22 to see how these not so good numbers relate to the passing game. It's very obvious. You can try to turn it into a QB thing since that seems to be how you get your jollies, but I'm merely pointing out the poor protection from 3 linemen, and I don't need stats to support it even though they do. 

Go watch the end zone angles on all22 and see where the receivers are in their routes when Trevor receives pressure. 
In most games there are several times that he must evade pressure before or at the moment he needs to release the ball and it frequently happens in under 2.3 seconds. 

It's not difficult to see and understand once you observe it several times.

Anyway, blather on.

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