(12-06-2022, 10:24 AM)Mikey Wrote:

(12-05-2022, 12:13 PM)carp8dm Wrote: I already addressed everything you originally said and now you're just repeating yourself.  So if that's the case, let's agree to disagree and move on.

Here was my discussion to you that you have ignored....

• Robinson was averaging 4.3 yards per carry THIS YEAR.  Hasty has been trash besides that one TD.  
  
• Robinson carried our running game throughout September.  Go check our record in September. 
  
• ETN has become a fumble machine.  Wouldn't it be nice to have a vet RB that could teach him a thing or two?
  

If you don't want to address these points, cool.  But I just don't have the patience to read you constantly ignoring the conversation to repeat the same things I've already addressed.

If you think that trading Robinson was a good move...  OK. But the facts of this season kinda make that decision look terrible.  ETN has a case of the dropsies.  Hasty is nowhere near as good as Robinson.  Snoop is trash.  And we had to go dumpster dive for a back RB that hasn't even played since we picked  him up 2 weeks ago.  

So with all that said...  Robinson, who has been more effective than Hasty or Snoop, was traded for a 5th round pick.  Kinda seems like we'd be better off right now with Robinson than a future 5th that will probably not mean squat for us.

I've addressed the average in other threads, apologies if I chose not to continue beating the dead horse.

4.3 yd average don't mean dook when you are getting that average on 11 carries a game. We've already established that he had over 25% of his yards with us this year on two carries. If we are losing because we miss his 45-50 yards a game, the agony of losing him is worthwhile. I don't believe that is the case.

I believe you're mixing correlation with causation. JRob carried the load early, yes, but we did not win because JRob was domination in Running Back clothing. We were giving him carries when we had a lead, and the defense were the big reasons we started out so quickly. I did check our record, and we have as many wins in 5 games without him as we did in the 7 with him. Again, I am stating that neither wins nor losses in either span of time are the direct result of his absence or presence. Merely correlation.

You might want to check your work, the so-called "fumble machine" Etienne did have a fumble on Sunday, his first in five weeks. He's had 4 all season long, and only lost 2. You can allege that he is risky with contact for sure, but it's not like every series we wait with hopeless expectation that he's putting the ball on the turf. As to the vet presence, vet's jobs, in the words of Torry Holt, are to "coach em right to the bench". RB coach is there and tasked with this responsibility.

I am not saying that our RB room mandated the trade. You're right, outside of Etienne, we got pretty much a vacuum at the spot. But having that knowledge, the fact that team opted to put all their eggs in Etienne's basket has to tell you something. Either JRob wasn't a fit in their plans/scheme, they thought the injury was starting to hamper his production, they hate the owner and want to sabotage our chances to succeed, or somewhere in the middle of all those factors.

This trade wasn't about the pick. It never was. Don't concern yourself with the pick. The team opted to move on, plain and simple. The choice was made and the paths to follow were either to waive him outright, or see if anyone had any interest in his prospects. The Jets offered us something, which is always more than nothing. Would we have another win to show for keeping him around? Nobody knows. Would Etienne be a better back with JRob around? Again, nobody knows. Was the team right to trade him when they did? We can't say, definitively, yet.

What we do know is that the team took all these concerns into consideration, and decided to move on. That tells me something.

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(12-05-2022, 12:16 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Watch Jrob suddenly light us up on TNF.

Actually, that may be a blessing in disguise; will show Baalke to be even more of a clown then he already is

@If he hits 180 yards we hit the jackpot, right?@

I wish there was a way to disagree point for point with what you said.  Some arguements you make are a simple matter of opinion.  Neither of us are objectively right or wrong...

But there are other points you are making where you're missing the point entirely!

At the end of the day, when we traded Robinson, I was shocked by it, but I didn't think it was that big a deal because I assumed Hasty and Snoop would take up the slack.  But that's not what has happened.  ETN is being asked to be the work horse.  And, bro, ETN for how great a RB he is, isn't going to last 3 years as the work horse.  You know it.  I know it.  The American people know it.

And yes, ETN is currently a fumble machine.  4 fumbles in 11 games???  That's unacceptable for your work horse RB.  You know it.  I know it.  The American people know it.  As a work horse RB you should be fumbling more than 1 or 2 times per season.  ETN's ball protection is absolutely an issue.   https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/running...umble-2022  Notice how the #1 fumbler isn't even in the NFL anymore.  ETN is in the 2nd tier of RBs but he's one of the highest fumblers.  Dude, it's important.  His fumble against the Lions can very well be seen as a momentum changer.  Let's not act as those a RB fumbling so much is not a big deal.  

With everything else you mentioned, I hear ya.  You are right.  Baalke decided that Robinson was expendable.  Then after Baalke traded him, he realized he messed up and picked up Henderson.  I feel like you're ignoring certain facts in order to be OK with getting rid of Robinson.  

Robinson was never an all pro.  But he was a very good RB.  And we pushed him out too early.  That's all I'm saying.  We could have used him this season.  And based on how we have utilized (or did not utilize) Hasty and Snoop, while also picking up a Henderson on Waivers tells me that a mistake was made and Baalke was trying to fix it.

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