(02-08-2023, 12:27 PM)The Drifter Wrote:

(02-08-2023, 10:59 AM)mikesez Wrote: The simple test of socialism is, is there significant government ownership or control of productive industries.  Norway, Brazil, and Mexico all have state owned oil companies.  Norway does have many capitalist features, which contributes to their wealth.  Brazil and Mexico also have many capitalist features but they are not as wealthy, for other reasons, mostly having to do with history.

So, you're for the State to own productive industries????? I'll bet you my last dollar that those same industries would be under water within 6 months of Government control. It's been proven time and time again that the U.S. Government, especially when under Democrat control (Just look at Blue states and democrat run cities) that they always run things in to the ground. IMHO, the U.S. governmant is some of the most incompetent people in the known galaxy.........

No, I am not, and for the reasons you cite.
However we have to guard against the opposite problem, which is when the wealthy owners of certain productive industries can get the government totally under their thumb. The government shouldn't own stuff, but it should be responsive to everyone, whether they own stuff or not.

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(02-08-2023, 02:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(02-08-2023, 10:59 AM)mikesez Wrote: The simple test of socialism is, is there significant government ownership or control of productive industries.  Norway, Brazil, and Mexico all have state owned oil companies.  Norway does have many capitalist features, which contributes to their wealth.  Brazil and Mexico also have many capitalist features but they are not as wealthy, for other reasons, mostly having to do with history.

You don't know what you're talking about. Norway and Mexico aren't socialist. Period. Norway is a mixed economy. Brazil just elected a socialist leader. That doesn't mean the country is socialist... at least not yet. You love to throw socialism around and you aren't even in the ballpark. Stop reimagining worlds to make them fit a narrative, bro. 

Your fresh take on "traditional values" might be the single dumbest thing that has ever come out of your mouth.

Nah, bro.
I'll take real economists and real historians on my side, and you can have your fringe crackpots and their definitions.

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