(02-10-2023, 11:38 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(02-10-2023, 11:02 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I think you are getting dumber as you get older, dude.

Look. America has a pretty defined set of values... well, at least it did until the progressives got here. Stop being gaslighted. Traditional American values are freedom, self-reliance, free market capitalism (not crony capitalism), equality, hard work, strong families, cultural diffusion (now called cultural appropriation by idiots) and personal faith. This has been a staple of the American ideal since the onset of this nation. Are there some VERY backwards people that include racism in there? Yup. But they are mostly in the backwoods of West Virginia and teaching at college campuses.

Were there racists from the time this country was founded? Yes. Were there people working to abolish it from the time this nation was founded? Also YES. You can go back and read texts of prominent men who spoke out against it. Certain Christian sects abolished it immediately. Massachusetts NEVER had slaves under the current Constitution. We fought a war where slavery was the predominant point of disagreement between the warring parties. The Civil Rights movement had tremendous support in the north, as well as pockets of support in the South. I could keep going, but I have [BLEEP] to do.

It is not a traditional American value if it was always a point of contention since this nation was founded. It's ONLY being taught that way by people who want to undermine the American system. You're just too uninformed or principled to tell those people to get bent.

There are exceptions that prove the rule.
Most people agree that the shaker communities intentionally and fully integrated the black people that wished to join.  However these societies were also intentionally isolated from mainstream American society.
If you were a white person who wanted to live a life where you always treated black people with complete inclusion and respect, you had to isolate yourself from the endemic racism of other white folks.  Whereas, if you were a white person who wanted to practice a minority religion, or no religion, that was usually fine and you could live in mainstream society that way.  Racism was therefore a stronger tradition than most other aspects of culture you could think of.

Again showing more about you than anyone else.  You have latched on to the progressive ideal that all whites want to put brown people under their control and treat them as second class humans.  Get out of your office, turn off MSNBC, go out into the actual world and realize every race, creed and religion has a lot more in common than they do differences.  The people that I know and hang out with whether white, black, brown, yellow or red do not care about the color of our skins, our religions nor where we came from but about the content of our character.  If only you over educated nincompoops would realize this is where the majority of all people live and quit subjecting us to your biases we be in a much better place.

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