(02-12-2023, 05:09 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:

(02-10-2023, 11:58 PM)captivating Wrote: Well let's be honest, traditional values does equate to being racist and sexist.

Traditional value are based on a traditional household where the woman's role was to spread her legs and get pregnant and then rear the children while the man earned the household money. It's also about communities of the same.  White people only associate with white people and black people do the same.  Whites go to church with whites and blacks go to church with church with blacks and never the twain shall meet.  Only Christian values are taught at schools.  Mohammad and Allah - that's some foreign Arab thing - yuk.  Buddhism - isn't that some cute fat guy who's belly we rub for luck.

I had to come back to this and ask, do you really think this is true? I know a lot of folks with traditional values and 100% of them do not think the way you describe. Some may hold to some stricter traditions than others, but not any of them are living like it's 1953. 

Traditional values would be a man and woman who are married and may/may not have kids. That the husband is the head of the household. Kids are taught to respect everyone, especially those who are older. Abstain from sex before marriage. Work hard and provide for your family. Going to church. DoIng things in your community to help others. 

Not a single traditional value has anything to do with racism or seeing anyone as second class citizens. The folks who do, do so because they are just bitter people, or they were raised by haters, not because of traditional values. There folks without traditional values being taught to be hateful. 

Those values have nothing to do with who goes to what church. It used to bother me that the majority of churches I've seen do tend toward being all white or all black. A black friend of mine said white churches just aren't loud and lively enough, that our cultures are too different. My sister in Ohio is married to a Korean fellow and on Sundays he goes to the Korean church and she goes to the non-Korean church. He says it's a cultural thing. Yes, that word again. But I've seen multicultural churches in big cities (think NYC) that are really fantastic. Why do they work in big cities and not smaller towns? I wish they did.

I think a lot of issues that are seen as racial or racist are very much cultural or nationality differences. It has nothing to do with not liking another person because of their skin color but rather not relating to their culture or nationality. Yes, there is racism. Outright and ugly racism. And it's wrong on every level. But not everything is about race to the average person. It just isn't. But the media and the entertainment industry want us to think it is because that's how they make money. I won't even go into how politicians use it to their advantage. 

It really does bother me that people think the way you described because it is not true of a lot of people who hold to those values. Specifically those my age and younger. We just don't think that way. And don't confuse political conservatives and those who hold traditional values. They're not always one and the same. My in-laws are democrats but hold very traditional values. Something I learned a few years ago was to never confuse someone's politics with their values.