(02-16-2023, 07:51 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:

(02-15-2023, 01:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: Traditional values are literally the values that our parents passed on to us from their ancestors.  That is what tradition means. The traditional practice was segregation, and the traditional value was that good people did not deviate from segregation. 
There are many people still alive today whose parents and grandparents taught them to resist racial integration at all costs.  Do not doubt for a minute that our 80 year old President told his kids to avoid being in a racial jungle. We know he told the voters of Delaware that.  How much more would someone Hunter Biden's age, who grew up in Virginia, have heard?
When you say "those are not the traditional values they mean" and "traditional values evolve," how are you any different from the liberals and progressives?
This is why, as I said at the beginning, conservatives must be very specific about which values we uphold.  Family values yes.  Strong work ethic yes.  Tolerance yes. Etc. Those are all more specific. "Traditional values" is such a big basket that it is a dog whistle for those values you don't want to include.

Maybe the case in your family but not mine. My family is a blended one from the northeast and midwest. It was not an easy situation and we all look back on it now and realize we were all just trying to get through the day. Us kids weren't taught anything other than how to cook meals and do housework and other chores, to respect them and everyone else, what church meant, how to be productive human beings as we grew up, etc. We were not political in any way though my parents did vote. Race, segregation and all that BS was definitely never a topic of conversation in our house. Anything I learned about outside of that as a kid was either at school or in interactions with people.

I literally have no traditions from growing up so my values are from what I believe in from my experiences, not from anything anyone told me. I can't look at any one thing and say that my parents had any influence on me outside of what I listed above. Maybe that's weird, maybe not, but it's all I know. It's also probably why I hate being told what or how to think. 

You act like people with traditional values sit around and talk to their kids about the days of racism and segregation like it's a badge of honor or a rite of passage to pass on to little Susie and little Johnny. There are people like that, yes, but not in the quantity you seem to think by a long shot.