(03-28-2023, 07:15 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You believing that stakeholder capitalism is just marketing and PR is marketing and PR. I know most of us don't have time to follow what these guys are saying and doing. I don't as much as I used to, but they aren't really hiding what they want to do. Stakeholder capitalism is a movement by the elites to build a world that works for them. We will end up being the working class, and they will maintain their power and money as they decide what's best for us. Klaus's plans are supported by the major corporations. Why? "Because according to him, companies seek long-term value creation instead of short-term profits; governments cooperate to create the greatest possible prosperity for their people, and civil society and international organizations complete the stakeholder dialogue, helping balance the interests of people and the planet."

That's great if you want to be naive and pretend these elitest snobs who have no foot in the "real" world actually care about any of us as individuals. But only if you're not reading between the lines. Who makes the choices for us? Companies. Not governments. Governments cooperate with the companies plans for us. And we have to believe they are just going to generously give us wealth so that we can live fulfilling lives like them. Please, bro. The stakeholders are the ruling capitalists, that bend us to their will for our own good. They are benevolent slave owners. Every single new law they pass is like a ratchet that is slowly stripping us of our individual rights, identity, and customs. Sorry you and Marty are too idealistic to see it for what it is.

Yes. We can do something about it, and it starts by not throwing your hands up in the air and resigning yourself to your fate. Start recognizing it for what it is and share it with others.

It's not that I'm too idealistic to see it for what it is.  I've always seen it for what it is.  You act like you've discovered something no one else can see.  

"Stakeholder capitalism is a movement by the elites to build a world that works for them."  Well, what the hell is new about that?  That's been going on for millions of years.  

The world has ALWAYS been driven by the desire for money and power.  That's the way it is, and frankly, that's the way it ought to be.  The desire for money and power is what has given us everything we have.   Without that desire for money and power, we'd all be working our own little farms, scratching out some sort of survival, eating potatoes or whatever.  

Here is a definition of "stakeholder capitalism."  
Stakeholder capitalism is[b] a system or an ideology in which corporations serve or take into account the interests or needs of all their stakeholders, not just shareholders.[/b] Stakeholders include customers, suppliers, employees, shareholders, local communities, and society at large. Stakeholder capitalism aims to create long-term value or work toward a primary goal or mission that benefits all stakeholders.  

I agree with Mike that "stakeholder capitalism" is pure PR.  Everyone is going to operate in their own self-interest (because that's the way the world works).   Companies give money to charity and various causes because it's good PR.  To the extent that companies do what's best for the various stakeholders, the real purpose is improving the bottom line.  They do nice things for workers so the workers will be more loyal and work harder.  They do nice things for the community so they don't get into political trouble.  They do nice things for society at large so people will buy more of their products.   But there's nothing wrong with that.  Corporate management has a duty to operate in the best interest of their owners, the shareholders, and if they don't do that, they'll be unemployed really quick.   

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