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Lucky2Last · 03-29-2023, 01:16 PM

(03-29-2023, 12:43 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(03-29-2023, 12:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Stakeholder capitalism is fundamentally different than shareholder capitalism. Stakeholder brands itself a more caring form of shareholder capitalism, which it isn't. The reason they hide behind that "brand" is because people would object to corporations controlling our governments. How does that not make sense?

That's exactly what I have been saying. Stakeholder capitalism is not real. It's PR. Corporations practice shareholder capitalism, by which I mean that they operate solely in the interests of the shareholders, and if they don't do that, the management will be looking for another job very quickly. And that's as it should be.

But I have another question for you. Serious question, not an argument. How would you rein in corporate influence over our government?

I've told you. Tether income. The elite have far too much political capital. Outside of that, transparency and accountability have to come back. We need to take money out of politics (thanks op) and get our politicians working for us. This doesn't happen when none of them go to jail, or when we bail out failures, or allow public secret meetings in which these people gather and plan their futures.

We are still saying different things, thou. Stakeholder capitalism IS real in that they don't want to be beholden to their shareholders anymore, but they can't just say that, so they dress it up. They are truly moving away from the shareholder model in an attempt to consolidate their power and better position themselves in the future, even if that means their shareholders take losses. They are literally willing to sacrifice their shareholders so that they can retain their power as a new, global government emerges. Stakeholder capitalism is global government run by corporations.

(03-29-2023, 01:09 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(03-29-2023, 12:09 PM)copycat Wrote: I stand by the idea of having single item bills. No riders, no additions, every issue goes to an up or down vote on its own merit. I firmly believe that will remove a lot of the corruption and influence peddling as well as money at the federal level. It will also push much of the legislation back to the state level where it belongs.

I think that's an attractive solution, however, the point where one bill becomes two bills is a judgement call. And who gets to make the judgement?

Just make it single page bills. Or 10 page bills. Something people can actually read.