(03-30-2023, 10:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(03-30-2023, 10:11 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: To what end? If you put a cap on political spending.... no super pacs... No corporate donations. Just a max of 5% of yearly individual income, you have now completely undermined the capacity of the wealthy to tilt the field. Sure, they have a small advantage, but it's not what they currently experience. Even more, what are they going to influence? They don't need to make their businesses giant anymore. There's a limit to their wealth. Again, you don't tax the excess wealth. You let the government approve certain public goods... healthcare, roads, parks, libraries/tech rooms, and allow them to donate to any cause they want. They can give away their excess money to people. However, what's most likely to happen is that they just try to raise the lowest paid workers income to get to raise their income. You want the wealth funneling back into the people. 

Also, over time, they still get the mansions and yachts. Think about it... you're making 7.8 million a year for 10-20 years. If you actually manage your money well, you could make 100 million in a lifetime and spend it on the things you want. It gives people a way to be ambitious, but limits abuse. 

Who cares what Trevor gets. We would get the exact same product paying these players 250k a year. Now, there's a reality that he'd just move overseas and play somewhere else for more money, but that's not an important issue to me. 

Here are the problems from what I can tell. Current businesses would want to seek countries that let them maximize their profits. To that, I say who cares? There is no shortage of entrepreneurs in this country. We'd have a new wal-mart tomorrow. We also have the size and capacity to make most of our own stuff.

So you don't think all the people and businesses who create the jobs in this country would just move across the border to Mexico or Canada and bring immense wealth and jobs to Mexico and Canada?  And you don't think that would throw a whole bunch of Americans out of work?

If I was Shad Khan, and you passed that law, I would immediately move the team to London.  And there'd be thousands of people and thousands of businesses right on his heels.

And as far as "We'd have a new Wal-Mart tomorrow..." no we would not.  It would never happen, because no one would be allowed to make enough money to accumulate the capital to start a new Wal-Mart.  And the people who would be starting this new Wal-Mart wouldn't be allowed to make more than $7.8 million a year, so they just wouldn't bother anyway.  They'd be looking to start something overseas.

Sure, Marty... no one would rather make 7.8 million dollars a year instead of 30k. Why would anyone want that? 

Also, why wouldn't they have the capital to create another Walmart? The business can still make and save money. I'm only talking about what a person takes home. Any attempts to circumvent that, like trying to have your business pay for your house, car, or travel, would count as income. 

You guys are so conditioned to believe we need billionaires... we don't. Money, just like ideas, is utilized best by having more people have access to it, not less. The elites absolutely exploit their leverage to get rich in ways that most of us could do if we had the capital. It's not rocket science. Does that mean we would? No. But opening up those possibilities is a good start. 

My number one gripe with conservatives is that we are unwilling to move off of the position that people can be indiscriminately wealthy. They will eventually use this power and wealth to discriminate against others. It's how humans work. 

I do think there are some potential exploits, but we can't just keep twiddling our thumbs, believing everything is figured out.

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