(05-26-2023, 09:00 AM)Caldrac Wrote:

(05-26-2023, 08:45 AM)mikesez Wrote: Biden's performance in office has been, well, not great.  Far from ideal.
But we had a free and fair election on his watch last November, and all the winners are peacefully in office today.
After January 6 2021, I don't think Trump would have given us that.  You can take almost anything from me, but don't take my ability to vote you out of office.  It's every bit as serious as taking my guns.  The ballot box and the bullet box have equal importance.
And yes I do think over 80 million people voted for Biden.  Faking that many votes in that many states is not possible.  Do many of those people have regrets now? Of course.  That's why we're going to vote again next year.

"Faking that many votes in that many states is not possible". 



'Online and vulnerable': Experts find nearly three dozen U.S. voting systems connected to internet (nbcnews.com)

US election fact check: The voting dead? – DW – 11/10/2020

So, it's not possible for votes to be falsified and accumulated. Yet, there was Russian collusion when Trump ran in 2016 and it resulted in him stealing the election from Clinton? (Which, she probably stole the primary from Sanders that year, that whole blackeye thing was interesting along with his endorsement he said he would never give her).

It is possible for votes to be falsified and accumulated.  But if anyone did that, at the scale necessary to change the winner from Trump to Biden, there would be a huge evidence trail all around.  Every other block would have somebody saying, "hey, it says my dad voted, but my dad died the year before," and similar stories.

As for 2016, yes, the Russians made multiple attempts to collude with Trump Sr..  Both Manafort and Trump Jr. were very unscrupulous as they responded to these attempts.  However, in the end, the Trump campaign never actually crossed the line.  They were at the coffeeshop with the whore, but they left separately.

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