(05-24-2023, 02:25 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(05-24-2023, 11:23 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:  I've already touched on that. How many libraries in how many towns are we talking about here? 
Is this widespread or is it isolated? 

Their website claims more than a dozen cities, but it would appear only the chapters in large metro areas with a liberal majority gained any traction - and several communities have already shut down the practice without any state government involvement. 

It does seem a bit creepy and wholly unnecessary though. 

I guess this whole thing (like so many debates around the queer community) come back to whether or not you believe someone chooses to be gay or not. 

I don't. 

I'm not a proponent of anything that may confuse a child as they navigate childhood, adolescence and determine their own feelings about sexual identity. I do think that gay people are going to feel the way they do regardless, and straight folks are also going to be resolute regardless of outside influence.  There's just no point in confusing those young folks in the grey area who are having a more difficult time working through their biology, hormones and feelings. 

Unfortunately, as much as conservative folks believe this drag and trans stuff is swaying their otherwise straight children to be queer in some way, the gay community feels that conservative-christian establishments are ruining the upbringing of gay adolescents by trying to "fix" them, when there is nothing wrong. They're just gay. 

Pretty difficult impasse when either side has adopted opposing scientific views and there is religion involved.

I think we agree about this.
If you thought that absolutely all gay people were born that way and stuck that way, and the same for straight people, you would not have much reason to care about anything that might confuse a child.  Confusing a child would be temporary, if everyone is basically born with their sexuality predetermined, each kid ends up in the same place whether an adult confuses them or not.
But I don't think that's your opinion.
I think what you are trying to say is that adults rarely if ever change their sexuality, but lots of kids are malleable. Even if the kids aren't willfully choosing their sexual feelings as they develop, many kids are malleable to outside influences.  And because they are malleable, adults should be very cautious about what is presented to kids.
Right?

That's not what I was getting at. 

I think it is biological, but not black and white. 

I think there is a reason why scientists are still somewhat mystified with the fine line between gender development and the chromosomes - the rapid evolutionary change (weakening) of the Y chromosome - and trying to identify genes that are associated with those individuals who come from the womb with various "compromised" versions of Y chromosomes. 

I do believe that the Y chromosome's volatility and the way it does or does not repeat readily in the DNA sequence is a possible/plausible explanation for the wide range of "feminine" qualities and instincts that many humans feel despite their actual physical male gender. 

Without getting into a bunch of science journal stuff, we can just say that I believe (and I'm far from alone) that the formation of our DNA will predispose us to a very binary sexual nature more often than not, but that some individuals end up in the "grey area" (which I mentioned in the post you quoted, but you skated past that.) 

Those are the folks (kids especially) I think are susceptible to being confused while still trying to figure out their own true nature. 
I don't believe those of us that came out of the oven conventionally baked one way or the other have very much wiggle room to be swayed. 

Now, an important note on all of this that I'll reiterate, is that young children simply don't need to have sexuality in any form thrown in their face prematurely. And yes, various groups are seeking to do that way too early in their development for different reasons. That [BLEEP] sucks. And it really sucks that it is now hyper-politicized.

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