(05-27-2023, 12:13 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(05-26-2023, 09:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: That's not what I was getting at. 

I think it is biological, but not black and white. 

I think there is a reason why scientists are still somewhat mystified with the fine line between gender development and the chromosomes - the rapid evolutionary change (weakening) of the Y chromosome - and trying to identify genes that are associated with those individuals who come from the womb with various "compromised" versions of Y chromosomes. 

I do believe that the Y chromosome's volatility and the way it does or does not repeat readily in the DNA sequence is a possible/plausible explanation for the wide range of "feminine" qualities and instincts that many humans feel despite their actual physical male gender. 

Without getting into a bunch of science journal stuff, we can just say that I believe (and I'm far from alone) that the formation of our DNA will predispose us to a very binary sexual nature more often than not, but that some individuals end up in the "grey area" (which I mentioned in the post you quoted, but you skated past that.) 

Those are the folks (kids especially) I think are susceptible to being confused while still trying to figure out their own true nature. 
I don't believe those of us that came out of the oven conventionally baked one way or the other have very much wiggle room to be swayed. 

Now, an important note on all of this that I'll reiterate, is that young children simply don't need to have sexuality in any form thrown in their face prematurely. And yes, various groups are seeking to do that way too early in their development for different reasons. That [BLEEP] sucks. And it really sucks that it is now hyper-politicized.

What do we disagree about again?
Yes some kids might have a chromosomal or fetal brain development tending towards queerness.
And most people will never have queer feelings no matter what they get exposed to as children.
And many other kids are malleable, which is the same thing as saying they are in a gray area.
You said it, I said it, but you don't think I said it?
What am I missing?

"lots of kids are malleable"

I think it's a very small number in fact, relative to your implication. 

You seem to be implying a greater number than I believe is actually the case.
Sorry I wasn't clear on the point. 
Perhaps we aren't that far off in this opinion. 

I think most of the few kids that are in that grey area would likely find their way eventually, but there's no point in trying to convince them they are one thing or another, and it only serves to make an already difficult stage in life even more difficult.

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