(05-28-2023, 08:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(05-28-2023, 08:42 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: I'll concede, the number of schools outwardly teaching this to children is small, but I use it to illustrate my force of narrative argument. Just as the consequence argument. Consequence and justice can be mutually exclusive, and when it comes to the 'woke hive' as someone referred to it, justice isn't in the terms many times and the powers that be (the press, District Attorneys, politicians, university staff...) are selective and far more prone to retaliate for anti-gay than anti-religious acts of contempt. For example, the bank employee who was fired for his refusal to put his gender preferences on his nametag. Now, one can argue that this is the policy of his employer, but how enforceable would that policy be (and the employer confident they would be protected) if that same employer required religious preferences on nametags. 

I'm not arguing your logic, I agree with it. However, I think it's plain to see the hue and cry of the woke agenda equals, if not exceeds, the cultism of "Christian Nationalism". It's size and scope far outweigh the number of people it actually affects. 

But then that gets into the realm of manipulation of the masses by political and ideological powers, which has some legitimacy.

I'd stop short of saying one ideology exceeds the other, but I'm with you more than not here. 

I would join you in bemoaning the fact that individuals clinging to certain conservative values do suffer the unfair judgement from the "public court of opinion" and in some institutions find themselves punished unfairly. 

I think it's rare by comparison to the history of judgement other groups have endured, but I think it's unfair. 

There are plenty of instances out there where the judgements were earned honestly, but plenty more where it was wholly unnecessary for the individual to suffer ridicule and/or job termination for their stance. 

The "woke" label is horribly misused and attributed and I wish we had a better term, but here we are. 

I could go to great lengths here listing a myriad of instances where this scenario has occurred to folks persecuted in some way for their liberal stance, but I don't see the point currently. Suffice it to say that many decades have preceded this moment that were wrought by homosexuals hiding in plain sight in order to not lose their jobs or place in their community.