(05-29-2023, 05:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(05-29-2023, 04:22 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I am for the prosecution of anyone or any organization that actively or purposefully wanted to cause harm or break the law. I have already acknowledged there were some Trump supporters there who got out of control. I am simply saying there is WAY more to that story than conservatives gone wild, which is the narrative that the MSM junkies love to repeat. No matter how you spin it, you cannot claim they made up a significant portion of the 120,000 people who were there that day. They were a very small group. MOST of the people caught up in the January 6th narrative were just angry about the election results.
My "significant number" comment was specifically referring to the number of "would be bad actors" identified when their communications that day through 4chan and other methods were transcribed, intercepted, or made public of their own volition. It is estimated that just over 2000 protestors entered the actual bldg that day. As many as 600 of them were affiliated with a militia group like Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, 3 percenters, Groypers and I believe there were at least two others I'm not recalling the names of. Of those several groups, at least 3 of them documented with clear intent to take a hostage, kidnap a lawmaker, or somehow disrupt the election's validation. These are the folks I'm referencing. 

Again, for a person who gets pissy when I "assume" things about your intentions, you are quick to say things like "You believe x because of Trump," or equate ANTIFA and Soros while dismissing evidence like known ANTIFA members on camera talking via social media. I never mentioned Soros or said ALL agitators were ANTIFA. I said that there is way more going on that day than you will acknowledge. And I'm right about that. There is more to this story than Trump and his supporters. Why were there only "4 capitol cops on security standing behind 2 little pieces of bike rack barricade?" Sorry, YOU may not have responded to Trump and I don't doubt that. He did, in fact, go on quite the diatribe railing against the FBI and has continued to do so. It was indeed a departure from the mainstream messaging we saw from him and other Republicans at that time. Many conservatives adopted this freshly minted edition of distrust of "the Feds." Maybe not you personally, but... it happened. 

We know the FBI and CIA did [BLEEP] up stuff in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. These are indisputable facts thanks to records that have been unsealed. You expect me to believe that without any rule changes or further oversight, that just went away? Ok, lol. I would love to wait for the new abuses to be unsealed, but by the time I can tell you I was right, it won't matter and neither of us will care.
Not trying to paint the FBI as angelic by any stretch, but they weren't being demonized widely by the right until they were accused by Trump and his supporters of a number of different things. None of which we have any actual proof of happening of course. 

Adding some clarification from my end in green above. 

Added note on the FBI bit - 
No, it wouldn't shock me if the FBI or another agency were somehow employed in efforts to aid or hinder certain efforts by various politicians or political movements, but I don't really see how or why the FBI would have been doing most of the things they've been accused of by Trump, especially when they were being run by his appointee. Seems like they were just a convenient scapegoat for a narrative that's likely false to begin with, to me.

You need read about how people are nominated and who controls it. If you think Trump was free to select anyone he wanted, you are mistaken. It goes back to them basically creating the 4th branch and controlling who can take leadership regardless of who the president is.

How do you get rid of the swamp if the swamp has to approve your pick before it even gets to congress?


On the trial stuff, there were lots of feds in the group. The evidence was some talking but no actual actions. The feds once again entrap them and the feds won't even reveal who/how many there were. There is video of them talking about doing the complete opposite of what you are saying. Did the fed members talk back and forth and bring the ideas up?

The entire thing is circus and we aren't being allowed to see the truth of it.


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