(07-07-2023, 01:28 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-07-2023, 10:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Yes, I understand all that, but voting the lesser of two evils is all we have.

The corruption and hypocrisy have been there from the beginning.  Sometimes less, sometimes more, never zero.

At some points in history, one party was actually able to win by being less corrupt than the other, and implement lasting reforms that reduce corruption.  It's been a while since then though.  The current batch is aching to use the power we loan them just to quash the other party's chances in the next election, and neither should be trusted or even asked to clean up corruption at this point.

Reform of the voting process is the only answer.  Primary elections are selecting candidates that care more about their own party and literally hate the rest of the country that doesn't belong.  Primary reform is the only serious option.

(07-07-2023, 01:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(07-07-2023, 01:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: The corruption and hypocrisy have been there from the beginning.  Sometimes less, sometimes more, never zero.

At some points in history, one party was actually able to win by being less corrupt than the other, and implement lasting reforms that reduce corruption.  It's been a while since then though.  The current batch is aching to use the power we loan them just to quash the other party's chances in the next election, and neither should be trusted or even asked to clean up corruption at this point.

Reform of the voting process is the only answer.  Primary elections are selecting candidates that care more about their own party and literally hate the rest of the country that doesn't belong.  Primary reform is the only serious option.

They need to get the [BLEEP] corporate money out of campaigns. 

Campaign finance needs a complete and total overhaul. It is a bunch of out of control propaganda financed to the teeth with special interest dirty [BLEEP] money. 

Should go without saying, but, this is not a partisan issue.

Agreed on reformation. Both parties need an enema to get the [BLEEP] candidates and crooks out of them. Starts with what NYC is stating. Corporate money needs to go. People like the Koch brothers should have no business being overly involved in politics. Nor should the banking industry or central banking institution that claims it's "Federal" because it puts it in front of it's logo and title to deceive the public.

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