(07-11-2023, 12:03 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(07-11-2023, 10:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: Sam Adams said that in 1776.  Boston had been under martial law for like 6 years at that point.  He came to that conclusion reluctantly and soberly. 
Nowhere in the US is under martial law today.  You rush into this mindset out of sheer boredom and a misunderstanding of the nature of glory.

I've come to this conclusion today reluctantly and soberly after more than 100 years of encroaching and increasingly tyrannical government. You've accepted the soft chains of distraction slavery, so enjoy your scraps.

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(07-11-2023, 11:42 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I'm not sure the words of a revolutionist in the very midst of an actual revolutionary war are equally applicable to free Americans living in the free America that revolution helped create.  

Sam Adams was not talking about what you're talking about. 
He was referring to to Britain and its loyalists.

If Sam Adams were alive today he'd feel as I do, that our Country traded freedom for a royalist administrative state from which we need to sever our bond. Franklin wasn't kidding when he said, "If you can keep it."

Maybe.  That's not how history works though.  He would have experienced 20th and 21st century life, so who knows what conclusions he came to.  It's not so remarkable that Sam Adams said what he said.  Every age has had people speaking against the elites.  What's remarkable is that what he was saying made sense to enough of the masses and caused them to think it was better to risk their lives in battle than accept the status quo.  The same message makes sense to very few people today because we have taxation with representation, rather than without.

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