(08-07-2023, 11:04 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Again, you go on about this, like this system would change money in politics. You have to cap income at a certain level. We are never ridding ourselves of this problem if people have billions and billions of dollars.

Even if I agreed with you that money in politics was the main problem, you're saying we shouldn't attempt the possible (voting reform) until we achieve the impossible (an income cap).  That's nuts. Let's do the possible.

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(08-08-2023, 09:41 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(08-07-2023, 09:13 PM)mikesez Wrote: Until we have ranked choice or multiple choice or runoff elections, if you don't vote for one of the main two candidates, you are saying you don't care which of the two wins.
Unless you voted Biden in 2020, you effectively supported Trump.  Unless you voted Trump in 2020, you effectively supported Biden.
Work to change the system, yes.  Please.  Join me.
Until the system is changed, though, admit you support who you support.
You might be right that Trump infuriates a small group of people who are protecting little bits of federal power they have made for themselves, that work against our interest.
But that's really missing the forest for the trees.  The real bits of federal power are our votes.  We should be zealously protecting the counting of votes as much as we protect our rights to free speech, gun ownership, and raising our families.  That's the power Trump threatens now. His other threats are insignificant at this point.  Don't think I don't get it. I do, I just assign a very low priority to it compared to free and fair elections.

Lol, "zealously protecting" when it was stolen right in front of you? Lol. Votes don't matter, the counting of the votes is what matters.

I said the counting of the votes is what matters.
I assume everyone who wanted to vote and was registered to vote got to vote and their vote was counted.
Do you have evidence to the contrary?
I assume no one was able to stuff the boxes with fraudulent vote.  
Do you have evidence to the contrary?

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