(08-08-2023, 01:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(08-08-2023, 01:16 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Genuinely curious about your definition of freedom. What does that look like to you? What does that mean?

Doesn't really matter.

It's the same as it was under Reagan, and Bush, and Clinton, and Obama, and Trump, and Biden. 

It hasn't changed - and that's my point.

Not trying to be a jerk at all - but a semantical debate about the definition of the word isn't going to change that.

It absolutely matters. If your definition of freedom is that I'm free to do whatever the government tells me to do, then you are right... our freedoms haven't changed. If freedom means that we should be able to govern ourselves at the smallest local level, then, yes, our freedoms have absolutely has changed. This country hasn't stayed the same under Reagan, and Bush, and Clinton, and Obama, and Trump, and Biden. It's changed drastically.

The federal government's authority has changed drastically. Our economy has changed drastically. Our patriotism has changed drastically. Our ability to provide for ourselves has changed drastically. Our ability to speak our mind in public has changed drastically. All of this changes our freedoms. Some of these changes are hidden and some are overt. Some are self-imposed and some are enforced. Some people like the changes and some don't. It's clear that you aren't feeling these changes, but other people see them and feel repressed. You said yourself earlier in this thread, "progressive thought is winning." Winning what? The power of the federal government. That is going to create lifestyle changes that impact certain peoples' freedoms. 

Like I said, I can point out many of these changes, but if your response is that "it's the law and it's how it should be," then we are essentially having a semantics discussion about freedom.

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And that's just one half of the discussion. The other half are the changes that are taking place behind the scenes. Our political capital is the single most important part of a free society, and, without a doubt, that is also being stripped from us.

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