(08-09-2023, 06:46 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(08-09-2023, 05:02 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I am trying to bring the discussion back to the facts. More importantly, I am trying to get people here to think about why we are having these discussions at all (one of the main reason you guys like to allude to "conspiracy"). I don't have a problem with the genuine pursuit of truth. I think groups function best when they are principled and are working towards the same goal. The people who bring this to the forefront of the discussion are not trying to have a real conversation about slavery. They are practicing deconstruction.

I won't drone on about it, but this is all rooted in critical theory, in which the person is just critical of the existing power structure and dynamic until they are able to bring about their desired change. It's a model for change that's rooted in progressive philosophy. The goal is not truth, but criticism. It's a garbage way to approach society building. It's intentionally divisive and unsolvable, because the catalyst for change depends on a new system entirely. I get frustrated that moderates take these people at face value. Of course there's truth to it. That's the whole point. Take the nugget of truth, bring it to the forefront of the discussion as a measure of imperfection, and promise change in a new system.

I don't really care about DeSantis, as I am not advocating for him. I don't know his motives. I just know that if he did change this, and acknowledged that it was a point worth changing, those same people would throw it in his face. And, unfortunately, I believe the moderates of the world are not principled enough to recognize that deconstruction is the goal, not the pursuit of truth. Mikey alleges that he would change his mind on DeSantis, but the barkers just pivot. It's easy to be critical. Take any person you know and imagine what you could do to them if you endlessly criticized their imperfections. It's destructive. It's not building anything, and the proof is in the pudding. Just look around.

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The only way to get these people out of society to reject their constant criticisms. You cannot solve this problem by trying to change every single thing they criticize, even if there is a nugget of truth to it. In this way, I think DeSantis is right to ignore them, even though it's a simple thing to fix. We need more solidarity in this, not because we have a perfect society, but because we need this "voice" to go away. I absolutely believe there are many ways to improve our society, but that won't be achieved through the lens of critical theory. It will only break.

There are people who will constantly criticize everything DeSantis does even if DeSantis repents of some of it.
These people are called hard-core, involved Democrats.  People who are heavily invested in the Democrats winning the next election.  They are simply selfish.  Just like the hard-core and invested Republicans.  There is no need to invoke critical theory or any hidden conspiracy to explain this.

Sorry pal. That's your ignorance talking. You don't know what the [BLEEP] you're talking about. If you're talking about the democratic base, sure (although I'd say they are ignorant, not selfish). However, this isn't true at the top. These are calculated tactics. These things are taught. You just don't live in that world. They have think tanks dedicated to this type of [BLEEP]. I just don't see why you guys make such simple assumptions about the political machine. They aren't you. They don't think like you.

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